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Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by wintercharm »

Spooky23 wrote: post #467
mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

The problem is that Apple’s focus on this distracts from the software that defines the user experience. The MacOS ecosystem is both beautiful and deeply troubled.

> The MacOS ecosystem is both beautiful and deeply troubled.

So, shifting it to ARM and letting universal apps in the iOS App store now run on macOS in addition to iPad opens up the mac to a metric fuckton of developers that are happy to make cross-platform apps, since the iOS app store is SO lucrative.

Apple showed, with the iPad which was a totally new product category, that the sheer number of iOS developers could push the iPad from a platform with zero apps to the best tablet in the world (with an incredible app ecosystem) and universal apps who's UI adapt to the screen they're made for.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by pilif »

nyrikki wrote: post #629
obmelvin wrote: post #532

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I could see an argument that Apple should make a tool like Homebrew themselves or official support Homebrew development (maybe they do, haven't looked), but including it in the app store would just be confusing. Plus, I can type 'brew install ' far faster than I could type into the search bar and make the necessary clicks to install.

Apple will never distribute gpl v3 software, this is the reason bash is ancient on mac and why samba is gone. Any license with a Patent clause or Tivoization clause will be verboden. As an example you will never get something that depends on Postgres in the Apple store.

Postgres is BSD licensed. Apple even uses it in its Server app

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by wintercharm »

thothamon wrote: post #193

Well. We'll see what they do, but Apple had better be very careful. If a lot of OSS software won't run on Apple's new chip, then it becomes very hard for a software developer like myself to stick with Apple. And it is developer energy that sustains the software ecosystem for Apple....including many developers who are in the Mac ecosystem to develop for iOS. This is not necessarily the wrong move for Apple, but it is…

Keep in mind that Apple has a veritable army of ARM developers (thanks to the iOS app store) which

1. doesn't suck 2. pays very well 3. has already demonstrated multiplatform apps with iPad / iPhone

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by pjmlp »

zarkov99 wrote: post #702
sreque wrote: post #433

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I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

I was with you until the "I preferred Windows" part. Windows right now is the most infuriating piece of software I can imagine for a developer. Forced upgrades? Forced advertisement? Gigantic, expensive SDKs with incomprehensible versioning and install times measured in hours, no standard library installation facilities, no standard build facilities, a default compiler that is markedly inferior to the alternatives, i…

As mainly a Windows developer, with UNIX experience going back all the way to Xenix I can enumerate similar complaints about developing on UNIX.

Expensive SDKs? You should have seen UNIX compiler prices before GNU and BSD actually mattered.

Don't try to use non-UNIX OS as if they are UNIX and the experience will be much better.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by pjmlp »

garmaine wrote: post #448
fastball wrote: post #443

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What exactly does your development workflow look like where Linux was so much better than MacOS?

What was the workflow in which windows was better than anything UNIX based....

Desktop software development, graphical debugging tools.

The only UNIX based that tops it is macOS.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by make3 »

tootie wrote: post #390
Lramseyer wrote: post #300

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If you remember back to the mid 2000's when Apple switched from PowerPC to (Intel) x86, the higher end machines still ran with PowerPC chips in them while the mid-low end products had x86 chips. All of the old applications that weren't yet ported to x86 had to use "Rosetta." It wasn't until a little while later, presumably once most of the professional software companies had good working x86 versions of their softwar…

Couldn't they achieve that today by running legacy apps in a hypervisor?

the x86/x64 applications in the hypervisor would be super slow, as the x86 ones are with Windows 10 for ARM (Windows 10 for Arm doesn't support x64 emulation)

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by crispinb »

yellow_postit wrote: post #551
reaperducer wrote: post #497

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> My last couple of jobs have given me no choice aside from a MBP and OS X. They do this because they don't want to manage multiple kinds of machines from an IT perspective. Not that many years ago that was the same reason IT departments would give for only giving people Windows machines.

Apple shot themselves in the foot for this market with the touch bar. It adds such a small amount of utility for annoying every VIM user.

Not to mention every IntelliJ user, and every touch typist.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by ancientworldnow »

aoeth43ntnt wrote: post #372
Stranger43 wrote: post #213

Have anyone checked with adobe and autodesk if this essentially kills the professional mac workstation as a viable product going forward? I have no doubt they can make it fast and usable enough for the naive consumer living inside the bubble of what relatively inexpensive(consumer grade) app-store apps can do and that microsoft will release something pretending to be MS office for a new ARM macbook line, but photosho…

> whatever it is the pro's use for video editing those days are a different ballgame. That would be Final Cut Pro X, which Apple itself makes. (Also, Motion, Compressor, and honestly, iMovie does a lot of stuff you wouldn't think it could do for a free app.)

There are very very few pros using Final Cut Pro X (lots of wedding videographers though). Every single edit house I've been in recently is on Avid or Premiere (usually both) with a FCP7 computer somewhere for legacy projects.

I've never encountered anyone using Motion professionally. It's all Nuke and After Effects with Fusion growing.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by matt_wulfeck »

sreque wrote: post #433
mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

I wish I could agree. Half of the time I spent on my last linux laptop was spent frustratingly trying to get things to work. The screen font was too small for some stuff, too big for others. It didn't wake up from sleep properly. sometimes it didn't GO to sleep properly. It was death by a thousand cuts.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by philliphaydon »

heartbreak wrote: post #707
ekun wrote: post #649

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Nice thing on windows is I can open the command line type >bash and I've got vim, ssh, sftp, bash whatever immediately. I still don't use that because other telnet, x-window setups are better for me. I never found out how to be productive in OSX vs what I can do in Windows.

> Nice thing on windows is I can open the command line type >bash and I've got vim, ssh, sftp, bash whatever immediately. Yes, macOS has a terminal emulator as well. > I never found out how to be productive in OSX vs what I can do in Windows. Open Spotlight, type in "Terminal" and hit return.

Unsure how that magically makes OS X productive. Stuff is just easier and faster on windows or linux. And I’m tired of OS X randomly crashing or freezing. It’s like windows 98 now.
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