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Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon Valley ‘Echo Chamber’

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Re: Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon Valley ‘Echo Chamber’

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bmm6o wrote: post #778
leereeves wrote: post #744

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> The End of Men ... What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women? https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end... > the rules intended to protect victims of sexual assault mean students have lost their right to due process https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-un... > professor Bret Weinstein refused to comply with students interested in 'social justice'…

> The End of Men ... What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women? TheCoelocanth already beat me to it, but this article doesn't do any celebrating about the "end of men". It's very sympathetic about how the changing US economy has gutted many traditionally-male fields. And in so far as support for Trump is driven by the economic uncertainty of men, it does a lot to explain that component.…

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Re: Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon Valley ‘Echo Chamber’

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Post by leereeves »

bmm6o wrote: post #778
leereeves wrote: post #744

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> The End of Men ... What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women? https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end... > the rules intended to protect victims of sexual assault mean students have lost their right to due process https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/09/the-un... > professor Bret Weinstein refused to comply with students interested in 'social justice'…

> The End of Men ... What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women? TheCoelocanth already beat me to it, but this article doesn't do any celebrating about the "end of men". It's very sympathetic about how the changing US economy has gutted many traditionally-male fields. And in so far as support for Trump is driven by the economic uncertainty of men, it does a lot to explain that component.…

It's a shame you don't have any free time. If you did, I'd recommend searching for "the future is female" and seeing how deep the rabbit hole goes.

But since you don't, what exactly do you expect me to say here that will convince you in 30 seconds?

Re: Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon Valley ‘Echo Chamber’

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Post by ameister14 »

kelukelugames wrote: post #594
manfredo wrote: post #539

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Interesting that you say that. "Meritocracy" has become a bit of a bad word in Bay Area tech companies. [1] And in case I didn't make this clear, that was just a quick dump of views that I think are generally considered conservative. Real life is much more nuanced than a list of bullet points. I fully agree that there are, for example, people who want tougher immigration laws but otherwise don't consider themselves c…

When you say conservatives support Meritocracy do you mean like how Ivanka and Jared got jobs with the White House? When people criticize the word "Meritocracy" they are not criticizing the concept but the usage.

>When people criticize the word "Meritocracy" they are not criticizing the concept but the usage.

I don't agree - there is a subset of people that criticize meritocracy as a concept because they believe the idea of 'merit' is inherently racist and classist - if you start at a different level, it becomes more difficult for you to accrue 'merit' and so that needs to be balanced and taken into account. Some people believe this is much more important than hiring or promoting on 'merit'

Re: Like Peter Thiel, Tech Workers Feel Alienated by Silicon Valley ‘Echo Chamber’

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Post by manfredo »

mlloyd wrote: post #727
manfredo wrote: post #523

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As quick clarification, if you aren't aware the Nationalist Socialist (AKA, Nazi) Party of America genuinely is a party that is protected by the First Amendment[1]. Conversely attempting to suppress Nazism forcibly didn't work either. Remember, Hitler and other early members of the Nazi party were imprisoned. It didn't stop them. And regardless this is straying from the core point. Of course, advocating the mass exte…

>As quick clarification, if you aren't aware the Nationalist Socialist (AKA, Nazi) Party of America genuinely is a party that is protected by the First Amendment[1]. Yes, that's correct. But not forced to be accepted as a debatable idea, a polite disagreement, or a view point that deserves a seat at the table. >(structuring hiring policies such that non white & Asians, and women have greater chance to get offers than…

> This is not affirmative action. Affirmative action is structuring hiring policies such that everyone gets an equal chance at an offer - even if it means that some groups get more help to get there than others.

If this is the case, then the diversity policies at big-name Bay Area tech companies often go beyond affirmative action and into the realm of outright discrimination. For example, identical resumes at my company have 3-4x chance of getting an interview if the name suggests the applicant is a woman and or black or Hispanic. You may or may not agree that "structuring hiring policies such that non white & Asians, and women have greater chance to get offers than non-diverse candidates" is affirmative action, but the point remains: that's what many Silicon Valley companies are doing.

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Post by scarface74 »

leereeves wrote: post #792
bmm6o wrote: post #778

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The End of Men ... What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women? TheCoelocanth already beat me to it, but this article doesn't do any celebrating about the "end of men". It's very sympathetic about how the changing US economy has gutted many traditionally-male fields. And in so far as support for Trump is driven by the economic uncertainty of men, it does a lot to explain that component.…

It's a shame you don't have any free time. If you did, I'd recommend searching for "the future is female" and seeing how deep the rabbit hole goes. But since you don't, what exactly do you expect me to say here that will convince you in 30 seconds?

If you search for any loaded term on Google it will lead to confirmation bias.

Can you find any stats showing that a White male has a harder time in America getting a job, getting a loan, getting a mortgage or lease, getting into college, etc than an equally qualified non White male?

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Post by Chris2048 »

biocomputation wrote: post #782
Chris2048 wrote: post #732

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Oppress is still too strong. There is an a implications to everything. Have an opinion on healthcare, and someone might die according to you preferred version of it. He participated within the political system, he did not "[believe] that it is okay to actively oppress LGBTQ employees", except, in your interpretation, by participating in the political system. This extends to "any potential employees who believe in LGB…

He funded nakedly oppressive political activity. Passing a law to deny consenting adults the right to marry solely on the basis of their sexual orientation is oppression by itself. That Prop 8 had significant financial and legal consequences for tens of thousands of Californians is the proof that the act was overtly oppressive. [1] http://www.dictionary.com/browse/oppress The real reason conservatives have so much tr…

> a conservative person should simply find somewhere else to live if they are unhappy in any geographic regions...

Somewhere they can create a Christian cake shop in peace, you mean?

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Post by Chris2048 »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #764
Chris2048 wrote: post #732

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Oppress is still too strong. There is an a implications to everything. Have an opinion on healthcare, and someone might die according to you preferred version of it. He participated within the political system, he did not "[believe] that it is okay to actively oppress LGBTQ employees", except, in your interpretation, by participating in the political system. This extends to "any potential employees who believe in LGB…

Few if any CEOs employ any fetuses, so there is little chance that they could create a hostile work (which they are legally required not to do) for any employees by opposing fetal rights. The same can not be said for a CEO who opposes LGBTQ rights.

So if it becomes law you are automatically fine with it?

Law follows morality, not the other way around.

If abortion is murder, the crime of possibly creating a hostile workplace pales in comparison.

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Post by leereeves »

scarface74 wrote: post #795
leereeves wrote: post #792

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It's a shame you don't have any free time. If you did, I'd recommend searching for "the future is female" and seeing how deep the rabbit hole goes. But since you don't, what exactly do you expect me to say here that will convince you in 30 seconds?

If you search for any loaded term on Google it will lead to confirmation bias. Can you find any stats showing that a White male has a harder time in America getting a job, getting a loan, getting a mortgage or lease, getting into college, etc than an equally qualified non White male?

Confirmation bias?

Hillary Clinton said that after the election.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-future-is-female-hillary-clin...

If we agree that's a loaded term, perhaps we can also agree that in terms of dividing people by race and gender, Trump isn't so different from many leaders on the left. He's merely the first Republican who plays the game of identity politics that the left has played for so long.

I think it's a terrible shame that the dream of a race-blind, gender-blind society was abandoned...but the left, not Trump, is to blame for that.

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Post by sctb »

orwellian wrote: post #789
TheCoelacanth wrote: post #759

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There was a detailed investigation into his firing by the NLRB that found that he was not fired for having conservative views, but rather for having the potential to cause a hostile workplace for his suggestion that the difference in employment might be due to inherent biological differences between sexes.

* Climate change isn’t a liberal fact vs some conservative alternate truth; climate change is a scientific fact. * Evolution isn’t an atheist fact vs some religious alternate truth; evolution is a scientific fact. * Personality differences (note: not to be confused with IQ or proficiency!) between male and female isn’t a conservative fact vs some liberal alternate; it’s a scientific fact. Damore suggested we use thes…

Please stop deleting and reposting comments.

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Post by scarface74 »

leereeves wrote: post #798
scarface74 wrote: post #795

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you search for any loaded term on Google it will lead to confirmation bias. Can you find any stats showing that a White male has a harder time in America getting a job, getting a loan, getting a mortgage or lease, getting into college, etc than an equally qualified non White male?

Confirmation bias? Hillary Clinton said that after the election. https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-future-is-female-hillary-clin... If we agree that's a loaded term, perhaps we can also agree that in terms of dividing people by race and gender, Trump isn't so different from many leaders on the left. He's merely the first Republican who plays the game of identity politics that the left has played for so long. I think it'…

“the first republican that plays identity politics”? Have you ever heard of the “Southern Strategy”?
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