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Time to Take a Stand

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Re: Time to Take a Stand

#791
post #8

> In doing so, we should not demonize Trump voters—most of them voted for him for reasons other than the promise of a Muslim ban. We need their eventual support in resisting actions like these, and we will not get it if we further isolate them. This is very important people - calling everyone who voted for Trump a racist homophobe, a moron, and not deserving of the franchise is not going to help anything. I didn't vo…

Trump is the most unpopular new president in history and lost the popular vote by millions of votes. He doesn't have the middle. He has an obnoxious minority.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#792

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, fair enough about Trump. Easy for me to say since I don't like him and didn't vote for him. That said, it does seem like Bill Clinton's actions were worse. He paid a ton of money to settle the Jones lawsuit, IIRC.

Clinton paid $850,000 without admitting liability to make a lawsuit go away. Jones' lawsuit was bankrolled by Republicans. Equivocating what Trump bragged about with what Clinton was only accused of is a sad argument.

So, $850K in today's money would be a couple of million? A lot to pay someone, but he got what he wanted in not having to admit liability.

I doubt you have watched the Paula Jones interviews from when she was a young woman, since you don't believe that Clinton behaved shamefully in this instance when he was governor. Clinton was an effective president, but he apparently had his bad sides.

In no way way am I defending Trump, but I am willing to wait a few months to see if he can accomplish anything positive. Then, when I am totally disappointed I will probably get active politically again, probably supporting third party candidates after the DNC fiasco in the last election.

Thank the DNC political hacks for a Trump presidency.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#793
post #40

Are there any publicly pro-Trump founders in the current YC batch and, if so, how ostracized do they feel reading things like this? EDIT: If there's no answers from the current batch (either due to sample size or general shyness), I'll pose the same question regarding past YC alumni. I find it hard to believe out of a thousand people there isn't a single Trump supporter.

Any Trump supporters in YC are probably smart enough to keep their mouths shut.

I would hope any Trump supporters in YC have read http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html and taken to heart "My advice is, don't say it. Or at least, pick your battles." The Overton window of the left is surprisingly narrow given how they talk about tolerance.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#794
post #700

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a couple of things at work, here. One, you're restricting your view to only those on the internet. There are plenty of other places people express their outrage. Two, use and reach of the internet has only increased over time, amplifying the response you're seeing. As for what you expect or would like Altman to express in his post, do you agree with his post and your issue is that it doesn't also address ot…

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I suspect you'll find that it's a minority of people who hold all of the same values and prioritize them the same as you. Don't feel bad, I'm sure I'm in the same boat. That's why it's important to figure out how to work together on our common goals. Expressions like "I can't fathom how" lend themselves to a very close-minded view. On some level, you have an expectation that Altman is reasonable, otherwise I don't think you'd be expressing yourself the way you are. Even if you disagree with him, strive to understand him so you might better be able to engage with him and others who hold similar views, especially if you hope that they, in turn, will take you seriously. Dismissing those who don't toe the line on each and every issue is a great way to get nothing done.

Edit to respond to the above edit: I understand how the points are related in the larger picture, though they are separate points. Altman likely has reasons why he hasn't coupled them in a single blog post. It's not unreasonable for him to address them separately, even though you may wish for him to do so.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#795
post #686

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Tech companies can also leave the states. Taking the amount of tax revenue they pay abroad will make a much stronger point than adding some banners, and that's before you factor in the deskilling of somewhere like the bay area if the tech companies leave. Of course, too many of the mostly white male tech company founders and investors are hoping to benefit from things like reduced corporate taxes to care about discri…

This is not true. The US taxes worldwide income regardless of country.

True. But country of residence gets first dibs, and you get a credit for taxes paid abroad.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#796
post #649
post #40

Are there any publicly pro-Trump founders in the current YC batch and, if so, how ostracized do they feel reading things like this? EDIT: If there's no answers from the current batch (either due to sample size or general shyness), I'll pose the same question regarding past YC alumni. I find it hard to believe out of a thousand people there isn't a single Trump supporter.

I'm (YC S11) not blindly anti-Trump (I support the sitting President whoever he is, but while I voted Johnson, I don't think Trump was the worst choice of the 4 top choices), and I think some of what he's trying to do is positive. I support Keystone XL and other pipelines. I think out of 2000 founders there are probably >50 but On the immigration issue: I'm in favor of immigration reform. I disagree with the current…

If you really believe that doing the "extreme vetting" is necessary for your security, then you have some form of "islamophobia". Just look at the numbers: The number of ISIS soldiers is in the thousands. There is more than 1 billion muslim, though.

The probability of the guy being extremely vetted is a terrorist is a ridiculous 0.000001%. That doesn't take into account that a good number of terrorists are already known, are in war, locked in jail cells or have no passports/documents.

This probability is also probably lower than the guy being from a visa-waiver country where the guy happen to be mentally unstable and go on a killing spree. In both cases, your extreme vetting is very unlikely to detect the bad guy.

However, here is the thing. By alienating the population to the "dangers of islam", you are further separating these people from the American communities and not helping them getting integrated. This will, in the long run, backfires badly as it creates huge "muslim neighbour-hoods" that are not compatible with the fabrics of American society. France is a good example.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#797
post #7

Why is that all of these posts saying to "take a stand" fail to explain the political process? I'll just quote myself here. If you want to help stop trump the most effective ways are to: 1. Call - Local congresspeople (http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/) - Senators (https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/) - Local officials (https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials) 2. Participate - Get involved in local electi…

While I appreciate the sentiment for a call to action, it seems pretty clear that the people who are pushing this agenda don't care about what other people think. The people who are pushing this agenda lost the popular vote but that has not stopped them. Many of these reps supporting these actions are in districts that are gerrymandered to insulate themselves from anyone that disagrees with them on this kind of actio…

Not exactly true, here's a post on the subject from Instapundit, the largest conservative blog on the net:

WELL, THIS IS STUPID: DHS Spox: Trump Muslim Ban Includes Green Card Holders. It’s fine to be more careful about admitting people from countries that are major terror exporters, but Green Card holders are permanent legal residents — they’re not “admitted,” they’re returning home. If there’s a problem with green card grants to people from those countries, it needs to be addressed systematically, not simply by stopping people at the border. This is a debacle, and I’d be very interested in knowing who actually drafted the order.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/255787/#respond

I think you'll be surprised at what people think on this issue who support the temporary ban.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#798
post #464

I voted for Trump, and am very happy with the ban- I don't see the benefit of bringing in Muslim refugees.

I am curious what your ethnicity is. At what point did you ancestors arrive in the United States, or are you perhaps an immigrant yourself?

Did any of your ancestors, at any point, belong to a group of immigrants that was considered by a portion of the US populace as "undesirable", but were let in nonetheless?

Would you consider your own presence in the United States as a benefit of such immigration which took place a while back?

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#799
post #771

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. "Muslim immigrants as a group consume more in societal resources than they contribute in taxes or skilled labor."

Have you ever met a Muslim in real life?

Yes of course, I live in the D.C. area.

While most of the Muslims I've met have been perfectly nice folks, I don't consider my personal experiences with individuals to be the best way to evaluate groups.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#800
post #744

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Cities in the US seem particularly polarized. Where I grew up there were neighborhoods with better off and worse off people but there wasn't any part of town where you would feel uncomfortable or at risk of violence walking at any time, day or night. I visited Chicago in the early 90's and I remember being told never to go past a certain stop on the train. The US has serious social problems going back a long time and…

There are bad neighborhoods in Paris and Rio; how does Chicago stand out?

Rio has a reputation as being one of the most violent places in the world. So I guess it'd be hard to stand out against that.

I think Paris is much safer than Chicago: https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Uni...

France overall has a murder rate of 1 per 100K. Paris I believe is slightly above average. Chicago is something like 15.

I wouldn't necessarily consider Paris to be some sort of golden standard either. You should aim for much better.

If you feel that having an x15 murder rate isn't "standing out" and it's just that you've got some bad neighborhoods than IMHO you're deluding yourself.

EDIT: And assuming the murders are not evenly spread out but rather focus in the "bad" neighborhoods is support for the polarization argument. We can look at some stats but I'm pretty sure they would support my notion that the bad neighborhoods in US cities are much worse than the bad neighborhoods in safe cities worldwide. Try comparing violent crime statistics of major US cities to major European cities over 50 or 100 years. This didn't start yesterday.

EDIT2: Don't take all this to mean I support Trump's rhetoric or actions on this topic. I do not. But I do think Americans need to do some introspection here

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