Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] • Hacker News Board

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by riffic » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 6:19 AM UTC

bmmayer1 wrote: post #596

noobermin wrote: post #113

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There's a lot of room to wonder about his trustworthiness given his record as a businessman, but even in this document, he doesn't address campaign finance reform. Congressional term-limits just consolidate power in the moneyed elites--the problems is not just the politicians, it's who corrupted them. If anything, this is a document to passify those moneyed interests who, unlike say Sheldon Adelson, worry about a Tru…

Is campaign finance reform really that big an issue, considering Trump just proved it's possible to win an election without any big money or support from special interests?

According to folks like Lawrence Lessig, campaign finance reform is the only issue that matters.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by grzm » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 6:22 AM UTC

mahyarm wrote: post #789

theptip wrote: post #462

> FIRST, propose a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress. I've debated this approach with friends in the past. From a game-theory perspective, does this promote or hinder political corruption? I'm inclined to believe that term limits would actually encourage corruption. 1) If senators have to find a job after 8 years, surely that encourages the revolving door between industry and g…

You also get people like Feinstein[1] because of the lack of term limits. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianne_Feinstein#Mass_surveill...

If you're arguing for term limits, you can make your case stronger by pointing out senators and representatives from both parties.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by mahyarm » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 6:25 AM UTC

grzm wrote: post #792

mahyarm wrote: post #789

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You also get people like Feinstein[1] because of the lack of term limits. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianne_Feinstein#Mass_surveill...

If you're arguing for term limits, you can make your case stronger by pointing out senators and representatives from both parties.

I'm a non american who is talking on the internet who has no power over this stuff. Feinstien came to mind because she in long term and I saw her stance in the Snowden issue. There are probably plenty of senators and congresscritters you can point out in the same way.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by laichzeit0 » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 6:30 AM UTC

ianai wrote: post #110

adt2bt wrote: post #3

Does anyone have an idea about the expected global response to the Secretary of the Treasury labeling China a currency manipulator?

If it works out to impeding trade with China in anyway it just acts to slow our economy. We are not going to become more competitive with 1+ billion people who are willing to work without any labor protections by saying we won't do business with them. We're just sanctioning ourselves from essentially the world's manufacturing depot.

And who exactly would be importing all these cheap Chinese goods then?

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by hossbeast » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 6:32 AM UTC

ubernostrum wrote: post #782

postcarnival wrote: post #679

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so what, then let's offer solutions and try to get them enacted? why all the armchair bitching on this site as if everyone is an expert just because they write code? what he did is nothing short of monumental and he WANTS to help America. If everyone is so damn smart then get involved and suggest changes. It's not like he's a fucking robot that is going to sit back and count how many marble statues he has in his gard…

Want money out of presidential politics? Make everybody run using only the presidential-campaign fund. You know, that one that you check the box on your tax return to give a couple bucks to? As for Congress, we also already have a good fix, we just never got around to passing it. Congressional politics are full of money because the districts are too large, on average. The districts are too large because in the 50 sta…

Can you give a link to more information about this?

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by chillacy » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 6:33 AM UTC

inostia wrote: post #480

ben174 wrote: post #177

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You can find more detail on how he plans to make Mexico pay for the wall here: https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf Specifically, he will threaten to disallow wire transfer of money from US to Mexico by non-citizens. Since that is a revenue source they greatly depend on, he suggests they'd rather fund the building of the wall. If they agree to fund the wall, then the ban on transfers will go away.

This actually makes sense as a policy. Though I don't understand why he still thinks Mexico should pay for it. It just seems a bit dickish. Simply increasing the federal prison time for illegal immigrants (as suggested) would probably eliminate a lot of the traffic.

Why would you pay to imprison illegal immigrants? Also there's some amount of evidence that says increasing punishment doesn't necessarily act as increased deterrent to some crimes past a certain point.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by totalZero » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 6:34 AM UTC

chillacy wrote: post #796

inostia wrote: post #480

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This actually makes sense as a policy. Though I don't understand why he still thinks Mexico should pay for it. It just seems a bit dickish. Simply increasing the federal prison time for illegal immigrants (as suggested) would probably eliminate a lot of the traffic.

Why would you pay to imprison illegal immigrants? Also there's some amount of evidence that says increasing punishment doesn't necessarily act as increased deterrent to some crimes past a certain point.

A tall order, sir. Let's see the evidence!

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by chenster » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 6:34 AM UTC

rullelito wrote: post #784

chenster wrote: post #683

WTF, America? How could anyone trust an alleged narcissist, extremist, sexist, racist, self-righteous and nationalist who paid nothing in income tax for the last 20 years to do what he says?

Why is it bad to not pay income tax?

Is this a serious question?

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by baddox » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 6:34 AM UTC

JosephHatfield wrote: post #766

josho wrote: post #391

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Trump railed against the system that allowed politicians to be bought. It turns out his solution is to term limit congress. Sounds like treating a symptom not the root cause.

I don't see how elections themselves aren't term limits. You want to end someone's reign, vote them out. Am I missing something?

It's a check on direct democracy, which I think is fine in principle. It's the same reason the US has a constitution.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by laichzeit0 » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 6:38 AM UTC

Waterluvian wrote: post #512

Federal prison is probably not as terrible as some of the conditions Mexicans flee from.

I can guarantee you prison is not going to be the same after Trump "reforms" the system :) They're not going to be using tax money to feed themselves.