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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by pyre » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:57 PM UTC

Shivetya wrote: post #349

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Honestly I am hoping Donald Trump is more centrist than many people expect. While he touts protectionism to the point of blocking access to the country his other ideas are pretty much down the middle of the road with regards to rebuilding the country itself. A lot of his ideas are not hard right Republican. He openly embraces gays and will make many of them in the Republican party feel more welcome. He has allies of…

> when conservatives want you out of our personal and financial lives

Do they really? There are a lot of people that view the Republican Party as their ticket back to an idealized Leave It to Beaver world, which is definitely NOT the government getting out of your personal life (make homosexuality illegal, bring back "separate but equal", make sure that minorities "know their place", etc). Still others see it as a the path forward to a fundamentalist Christian theocracy. The same people that eat up Bill O'Reilly's "The War on Christmas" segments and get outraged that Christmas is "under attack" by the evil Liberals that want to destroy Christian values.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by devopsproject » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:58 PM UTC

taxicabjesus wrote: post #216

Four years ago, I wrote a sort-of tongue-in-cheek story for Kuro5hin.org (RIP) titled "Humanity's Second-Best Hope" [1]. I pointed out that the Democratic president had failed to deliver on the Change he had promised, and shared my faint hope that maybe Mitt Romney was a "political gladiator" who'd flip on the plutocracy once he was elected. [1] http://www.TaxiWars.org/humanitys-second-best-hope/ Alas, Mitt Romney wa…

The "Master persuader" series explains in great detail why and why trump won. It also explains how and why everyone got it wrong. great series.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by devrelm » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:59 PM UTC

dmode wrote: post #741

mitochondrion wrote: post #703

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Immigration isn't a fake issue. Take a walk around Miami or San Diego. Or New York. Or London. Or Paris. Or Malmö. Gay marriage is just the final nail in the coffin of marriage, which was already basically dead. It's a mind-bogglingly stupid hill to die on, but nobody ever accused conservatives of brilliance. Obamacare is a disaster because it enables still more people to suck still more dollars out of the system tha…

I literally spend last weekend in San Diego and saw a very dynamic and happy place. What are you on about ?

Yeah, I work every day in New York. I have no idea what this guy is talking about.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by rifung » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:59 PM UTC

blakeyrat wrote: post #294

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

I live in a relatively small suburb of Seattle. I'm a software developer. There are no jobs for me where I live. None. None within 20 miles. The only job for me is in Seattle or Bellevue or Redmond, an hour-long commute. I love where I live, and I don't want to live in Seattle (which I could barely afford anyway-- I like owning a house). I also don't want to exclusively work-from-home and be cut-off socially from my…

> I don't want to live in Seattle (which I could barely afford anyway-- I like owning a house).

My understanding is that if companies were more spread out, then compensation would also be lower because there's less competition for employees. With compensation also being lowered, wouldn't you just be in the same situation because while real estate is more expensive in Seattle, salaries are higher too?

As salaries increase, the real estate near those companies will naturally increase. I don't see why having companies be spread farther out would change this relationship.

I live in Seattle but grew up in the suburbs and also sometimes miss living in a house (mainly because I play piano). But even my friends who live in the suburbs are struggling to save up to own a house, so as far as I can tell it's not any different. If anything, it's even better working in the city because as far as I can tell it's easier to save money since even if you save the same percentage of income you would make more.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by morgante » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:59 PM UTC

ahoy wrote: post #51

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

The working poor voted for Hillary. Trump's support comes from households making $50,00 or greater.

That statistic is heavily distorted by racial demographics.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by SonicSoul » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 7:59 PM UTC

huac wrote: post #109

I have a lot of thoughts, but here's one: Hillary focused her entire campaign on why people should stop Trump, at the expense of talking about why she should be president. In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. It's undoubtably true now that there was a very real populist anger towards the existing political order, and…

I agree. Combine that with her pretty much saying what she thinks people want to hear, and no real history of standing for anything, she really sucked as a candidate.

I also believe that the Dems suppressed Bernie in order to have Hillary as their nominee. I don't think Trump had a chance against Bernie. I am hopeful that this will be a blow to the 2 party system where we're forced to vote for lesser evil.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by ambicapter » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 8:00 PM UTC

treenyc wrote: post #627

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

US president has remarkably little power to make any change to the existing system. The real change has to be done on the local grass root level.

He has a republican senate and house.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by jimbokun » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 8:01 PM UTC

TulliusCicero wrote: post #465

jernfrost wrote: post #215

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You can do what the democrats have talked about, which we have successfully done in Nordic countries which is to spend a lot of money on re-educating the workforce and making sure those at the bottom get decent skills. I grew up in a rustbelt like industrial town in Norway. We has shipyards, glass factory, paper mill, textile industry, lock systems etc. Almost all of it got closed down and moved overseas as I grew up…

> You can do what the democrats have talked about, which we have successfully done in Nordic countries which is to spend a lot of money on re-educating the workforce and making sure those at the bottom get decent skills. One of the issues with this is that while yes, you can get the people to become more skilled/educated, ultimately the jobs that take advantage of that skills and education are in cities, not in small…

"One of the issues with this is that while yes, you can get the people to become more skilled/educated, ultimately the jobs that take advantage of that skills and education are in cities, not in small towns or rural areas where so many of these people currently live."

Somehow, our companies have become experts at enabling remote working 12 time zones away, but can't manage to pull off the same thing for someone in the rural US.

I wonder why?

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by dionidium » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 8:01 PM UTC

nickbauman wrote: post #760

thomyorkie wrote: post #681

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> Terrorism: more toddlers killed Americans than terrorists in 2015. For every terrorist killing someone on US soil, more than 4000 Americans killed each other. Terrorism isn't a fake issue. You're ignoring the potential devastating effects that a successful terrorist attack on U.S. soil could have. Terrorists are always trying to up their game and its because of this that they represent a significant threat. Toddler…

Are you statistics challenged? Even an attack on the level of 9/11 will be significantly lower than the number of Americans that shoot each other to death per year. If you want to read about the likelihood of a nuclear attack by terrorists, read Physics for Future Presidents. It's very, very low.

Right, but we're human beings who have evolved in a specific environment to have specific wants and desires and fears.

And one of those is the fear of terrorism.

You can, I guess, beat on the statistics drum until the sun swallows the Earth, but human beings on planet Earth, largely, do not agree with your model for assessing the costs of international terrorism.

Your model assumes that, hey, a death is a death is a death, no matter the cause; but most people care more about some types of deaths than others.

You seem to think you just need to educate those people, but the difference is deeper than that.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by rezashirazian » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 8:01 PM UTC

sodafountan wrote: post #638

ajross wrote: post #201

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In all honesty: almost none. He just wanted to be president. Most of his time will be spend enriching himself by selling banal access and bloviating on the world stage. That's pretty awful, but not apocalypse-level awful. Of your list: The wall is a technical impossibility that everyone can recognize. There's no funding for a deportation force and the political optics of goon squads rounding people up is something co…

I don't think you understand how ego works. He wants to be more than just president, he wants to be a great president, that's in his nature. I truly believe he'll do what it takes to make himself into a great president. Do you think he wants to be remembered more as a George W. Bush or a Ronald Reagan? I'm about as worried about a Trump presidency as I am worried that I'll remember how to breath at night. Human Natur…

Road to hell is paved with great intentions. A man with subpar intelligence and understanding of the issues, will most likely make the wrong decision, even if it's with the noblest of intentions.