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Post by yubblegum »

jjulius wrote: post #750
yubblegum wrote: post #747

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Why are you putting words in my mouth? Children are on Facebook because adults like you used their surveillance product and made them a "must have" aspect of social life. Facebook and Google and the rest were harming society long before '20s. This was obvious to some us and when we spoke up forums like this were used to silence informed voices. That is the .

What about the less-tech-literate-than-us adult who tried their best to lock down the phone they gave their teen for "emergencies only", but the teen ended up hopping on social media anyway because of FOMO from their friends who were already there? The kids feel the pressure from their own social circles, I can see it even with my littles and their requests for tablets and Minecraft at their young ages. And if they c…

> That feedback loop is driven by the companies at fault here.

I hear your. Regarding above however it is my understanding that VC$ determines the behavior and direction of companies in our sector. I just quickly ran a couple of queries that you can try:

"has paul graham of YC ever written about ethics that should govern startups and companies? interested in ethics in terms of social responsibility, impact of the product on the society as a whole, prioritizing social good over profits, etc"

It's just like privacy. Do you think we would not have socially responsible and optimal digital services by this point if investors and the entire propaganda system built around startups insisted on socially responsible products??

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Post by anticorporate »

lbrito wrote: post #769
999900000999 wrote: post #402

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> but I could probably sell my belongings and live a very good life on a beach somewhere in Latin America I actually think it’s easier to cut back vs chasing some magic high networth before retirement. The average salary in Costa Rica is only 1200$ a month. Meaning if you live an average life there you might be able to retire with 240k. Assuming 6% yields per year.

Don't wanna spoil your dream, but have you actually lived in Latin America? Cost of living might not be what you think. I also have the feeling that foreigners don't really understand the crime situation. Of course, its a big regions with some variation.

I've not lived there but I've spent significant time in a handful of places there. I think a lot of people have cost-of-living shock because they try to live a US lifestyle in a place where import costs vastly outweigh any savings on local goods.

My reason for wanting to move comes more from culture and place than cost of living. That said, I do expect my cost of living to be lower, because my cost of living is artificially high where I live today; I could probably cut it in half by moving domestically in the same state.

Crime is a legitimate concern, but it's highly variable across the vast expanse of Latin America. There are very safe places to live across the region, but you need to do your research.

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Post by taude »

scantron4 wrote: post #760
taude wrote: post #664

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Did everyone like this Stephensen in this thread? I read Cryptonomicon and Seveneves, mostly. They slogged for me a bit. But I love what he writes about, so willing to try another one (even if he doesn't have an editor). It sounds like this could be topical 2027 read. I have a long summer ahead of me.

Give Fall: Dodge In Hell a try. It has a few characters from Reamde but nothing to do with it so you don't need to read that one. Its an amazing idea about realistically what building the singularity could look like. Starting with one digitized mind.

Thanks. I've added

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Post by lbrito »

anticorporate wrote: post #783
lbrito wrote: post #769

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Don't wanna spoil your dream, but have you actually lived in Latin America? Cost of living might not be what you think. I also have the feeling that foreigners don't really understand the crime situation. Of course, its a big regions with some variation.

I've not lived there but I've spent significant time in a handful of places there. I think a lot of people have cost-of-living shock because they try to live a US lifestyle in a place where import costs vastly outweigh any savings on local goods. My reason for wanting to move comes more from culture and place than cost of living. That said, I do expect my cost of living to be lower, because my cost of living is artif…

Re: cost of living, I'm thinking more about things like housing and utilities.

Where I live (BC), power costs around CAD 0.085/kWh. In my home state in Brazil, the cost is CAD 0.25/kWh - 3 times higher. Natural gas is 20 times more expensive, although you'll only be using it for cooking. Basically any consumer good is as expensive or more expensive. Inflation is higher, credit is much more expensive. Housing is significantly cheaper than in large US/CA metros, but isn't exactly cheap: a nice apartment in my city rents goes for about 1500 CAD.

Like you said, its a big region. I don't know much about the rest of Latin America, but from the conversations I've had with people from other countries, they say yeah, we're on the same boat. Crime is also increasingly metastasizing as a problem in previously safer regions (Uruguay, Argentina, Equador).

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Post by anticorporate »

lbrito wrote: post #785
anticorporate wrote: post #783

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I've not lived there but I've spent significant time in a handful of places there. I think a lot of people have cost-of-living shock because they try to live a US lifestyle in a place where import costs vastly outweigh any savings on local goods. My reason for wanting to move comes more from culture and place than cost of living. That said, I do expect my cost of living to be lower, because my cost of living is artif…

Re: cost of living, I'm thinking more about things like housing and utilities. Where I live (BC), power costs around CAD 0.085/kWh. In my home state in Brazil, the cost is CAD 0.25/kWh - 3 times higher. Natural gas is 20 times more expensive, although you'll only be using it for cooking. Basically any consumer good is as expensive or more expensive. Inflation is higher, credit is much more expensive. Housing is signi…

This is exactly the kind of calculus I hope everyone does. For example, I can't say I'm jealous of much else about the cost of living in BC, but my electricity rates in North Carolina are more than double yours, much closer to Brazil's. Everywhere's a little different. My biggest expenses (taxes, housing, and health care) will probably go down in most of the places I'd consider moving to, but some things (like transportation, and consumer goods as you mention) I would expect to go up, especially since I spend less in those categories than most people I know to begin with.

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Post by mannanj »

pizzly wrote: post #673
mannanj wrote: post #250

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Isn't Facebook training their AIs on their finest engineer's computer use so the AIs can become better computer users? In this case, the more insidious yet subtle risk and attack vector for humans using these Facebook computers, is that Facebook begins to use this data to discriminate (legally) on performance metrics. They can then use these to automatically disseminate performance improvement plans, lead to higher p…

What are the models actually learning from Meta's engineers computer usage data? Are they learning to procrastinate by browsing hacker-news before starting to actually work so that in the future some models will replicate this behavior.

Lol I hope so, that would be pretty funny.

I don't remember exactly the detail, or how much was disclosed. But I saw a leaked audio of the Zuckerberg meeting where he was sharing his insight into why they want to collect this data and I remember it being pretty vague.

If you want to use the computer the way the smart engineers use it, you probably look at everything.

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Post by semiquaver »

OJFord wrote: post #549
semiquaver wrote: post #445

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Always thought it was weird for the omniscient narrator to refer to her as “YT’s mom”

I haven't read it, but if it's written in the first person with the narrator referring to themself as 'YT', then it's at least consistent? If yours truly suddenly referred to my mother, or indeed if I referred to yours truly's mother, that would be more jarring I think?

WTF, why chime in without any additional research if you haven’t read it in the first place?

No, it’s an omniscient third person narrator. Yeah, YT is probably the “true” viewpoint, esp if you take diamond age into account. “Chiseled spam” and all that.

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Post by semiquaver »

michaelt wrote: post #658
semiquaver wrote: post #445

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Always thought it was weird for the omniscient narrator to refer to her as “YT’s mom”

Isn't that Stephenson driving home the faceless drone, cog-in-the-machine characterisation of YT's mom? I mean, literally not giving the character a name fits right in with the alienating working conditions of the quote above, and the fact YT's mom is working on a software cog with no understanding of the machine it fits into.

But she did have a name in the story.
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