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There was a long time when somebody answered me with far right tactics. In this space, they are rarer, for obvious proven reasons. And before you would come, that you are not far right, I didn’t say that, and you cannot prove or disprove it anyway. Even on HN, the Overton window is moved towards far right, as almost everywhere, so value of self claim is not larger than zero, and since large part of society intentionally uses it to make muddy waters, it’s value on the internet is even negative.

> That's not what a strawman is.

Let’s see Wikipedia.

> A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.

Let’s see the relevant part of your comment:

> You're essentially saying we shouldn't improve something because it can be done with a handful of commands

Once again

> an argument different from the one actually under discussion

And once more

> You're essentially saying

So the exact thing for which I used, because I didn’t say that essentially. But luckily for us, you just proved that you intentionally misrepresented my comment, and you intentionally argued against something which is not there. Btw, for which you just proved again that you use fallacy fallacy, and intentionally.

I yet to see a case when somebody says, “you’re essentially saying”, and it’s not strawman.

Let’s move on…

> you don’t understand my comment

And immediately after that, you said that:

> I didn't understand

I know, that from your viewpoint this can be difficult, but maybe, you don’t understand something, because you don’t understand something. Maybe you didn’t understand a single sentence from my original comment, and that’s why you don’t understand even the connections between them. Maybe you didn’t understand the general meaning of my comment, and thus you picked something which your mind cannot comprehend, why it’s there, because you didn’t understand even the basics. You “essentially said” that you didn’t understand my comment in general, by doing a strawman with “essentially saying”, but as you proved it was intentional, so I have no idea about your real thoughts.

It’s possible that the general meaning of my comment is fine, but there is an error in the specifics. Maybe, even the general meaning is problematic. One for sure, we will never know, because you still haven’t asked anything, thus revealing that you don’t even want to know. You proved again btw, that it’s intentional, because you still haven’t attacked its general meaning.

> You're not actually suggesting

As we could see from the definition, this is a strawman. And your first question, so here is the answer: no, and my comment is completely rational regardless of the answer. In other words, if the answer would be yes, my comment rationality wouldn’t have changed even a bit. And since, it’s obvious that the answer is no for everybody, and it’s orthogonal to my comment, thus this is a strawman. The point obviously wasn’t to get an answer.

There are two options at this point:

- your arguments are not in good faith - you do this because you lack skills and/or knowledge

In both cases, any further discussion is pointless.

If it’s the later one, I recommend to learn more, before you ever feel the urge to use any fallacy’s name again. You’re not there yet, but I’m glad that you are interested in avoiding them. A better way of thinking isn’t to avoid specific logical fallacies, but all of them even those which don’t have names. Also using their names won’t ever lead to real discussions in any environments. They can be effectively used only to avoid them for people who cannot think without logical problems as a principle.

If the former, which you proved almost once per sentence, then I hope we will return to positive sum game once, which corrects this behavior with acceptable tools, and you’ll learn from them. Until then, you will continuously make the same mistakes unfortunately, regardless of what I say. I could have proved my points with Lean, and you would still not change a single bit.