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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by worthless-trash »

rayiner wrote: post #719
heresie-dabord wrote: post #648

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> much broader implications Setting aside the spectacular metastasis of a lawless kakistocracy that is literally rewriting the facts on record... Anthropic's leadership has wisely attempted to make it clear that its product is not fit for the US DoD's purpose/objective, which is automated killing at scale. It would be (is) grossly, historically negligent to operate weapons with LLMs. Anthropic built systems for a thu…

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Hang on, companies dont get to have the rights of a person and not be conscripted.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by dr_kretyn »

robwwilliams wrote: post #756
pavel_lishin wrote: post #733

> We hope our leaders will put aside their differences and stand together to continue to refuse the Department of War's current demands for permission to use our models for domestic mass surveillance and autonomously killing people without human oversight. Hope is neat, but are the signatories willing to quit their jobs over this? Kind of a hollow threat if not.

Quitting their jobs? How is that the pragmatic or effective response?

Quitting no. Quite quitting or internal turmoil could be beneficial. Of course, in case these people meaningfully contributed in the first place otherwise it's a good pretext to fire for cause without any severance.

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Post by layla5alive »

archydeb wrote: post #771
drewda wrote: post #769

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They put their names to their position publicly. That is meaningful action.

Well, some did. I was surprised to see so many anonymous signatories.

Only 600 from Google and 93 from OpenAI? And many of those anonymous? Truly our industry is full of cowards and complicit people.

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Post by rayiner »

worthless-trash wrote: post #781
rayiner wrote: post #719

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Hang on, companies dont get to have the rights of a person and not be conscripted.

That’s my point. It would be odd to say that a corporation has a broader right not to be compelled to aid war efforts than a person does.

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Post by lostlogin »

kelvinjps10 wrote: post #722
cityofdelusion wrote: post #693

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This is just a (bad) caricature of Americans, it’s not even very accurate of rural Americana or even Deep South rural. Most Americans just wake up, go to work, feed the kids, go to bed until they die, like most any other “first world” nation.

That's true but when specifically talking about gun ban laws they said it shouldn't be done because of being able to oppose a tyrannical government

You’ll find people here who are in America and are surprised by a comment like yours. They have guns, they don’t read the news and aren’t troubled by what’s occurring.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by krapp »

pirate787 wrote: post #766
xerox13ster wrote: post #750

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Your take is a call for civil war. You're obviously wrong about "treason" since even larger majorities voted for Trump in 2024.

The US is already in a state of civil war, that war was declared in 2016.

Half the country just hasn't accepted the reality that the other half refuses to share a society with them and wants them dead.

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Post by lostlogin »

ozgung wrote: post #631
jspdown wrote: post #610

Domestic mass surveillance might feel tolerable when you live in the country conducting it. But how would you feel about other countries adopting similar policies, and thereby mass-surveilling the American people? Because that's exactly what these policies authorize when applied to the rest of the world.

The bad news for American people is that "others" are pretty good at these technologies. When I read an important AI paper chances are all the names on it are non-American, even for papers from American labs. In a real war, this becomes problematic. Every nation has some bias but I think Americans have power poisoning for being the dominant power for so long. They think they are entitled to do anything and believe th…

What’s an American name?

I thought the US was a country of immigrants (or was before it started hunting them)?

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by thewebguyd »

rayiner wrote: post #719
heresie-dabord wrote: post #648

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> much broader implications Setting aside the spectacular metastasis of a lawless kakistocracy that is literally rewriting the facts on record... Anthropic's leadership has wisely attempted to make it clear that its product is not fit for the US DoD's purpose/objective, which is automated killing at scale. It would be (is) grossly, historically negligent to operate weapons with LLMs. Anthropic built systems for a thu…

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Anthropic isn’t the inventor here, they are a service provider. The government can easily go find a different service provider, or if none of them will allow their service to be used for war, then the government should develop their own tech.

Saying the government can just nationalize any company purely because they want to use the tech to kill people has pretty big implications and his historically against what this country stands for.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by xvector »

clouedoc wrote: post #709
xvector wrote: post #28

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There is a specific kind of person that joins xAI over the other companies and it is definitely not a moral one.

It's hard to deny an offer to become a millionaire in the next 3 years if you just hang tight at xAI, especially if you don't have any offers from competing AI labs. Also, LLMs are converging into an easy-to-replicate commodity. It doesn't matter much who wastes their money on you to build them.

If you can get an offer at xAI you can get an offer anywhere. All the labs and top players will make you a millionaire in 3 years.

xAI is a pure choice. Their people have the ability to work at Anthropic but choose xAI.

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