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I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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So they are such a risk to national security that no contractor that works with the federal government may use them, but they're going to keep using them for six more months? So I guess our national security is significantly at risk for the next six months?

> Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect

For this administration the law isn't something that binds them, but something they can use against others.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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If the government thinks the terms of Anthropic are unacceptable, they can just stop using them, right? But why would you then retaliate and ban other companies from making business with Anthropic if they want to be a defense contractor? How do these requirements make Anthropic a supply chain risk that makes them unusable for use by other companies?

> If the government thinks the terms of Anthropic are unacceptable, they can just stop using them, right That is what they are doing. > why would you then [....] ban other companies from making business with Anthropic if they want to be a defense contractor Because, if it shops with Anthropic code, the DoD becomes subject to the restrictions when they receive the contractor's product. Anthropic's limitation is on the…

That's just wrong. At most it requires the DoD to require that contractors do not use it on the work for the DoD.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Trump doesn't want another election to happen. He needs some powerful tools to ensure that happens, ie, massive scale ai surveillance and manipulation. Eg, like Xi uses in China. I bet anyone here he starts a war as his excuse

At least with Xi’s China you get 560GW of new electricity generation in one year. You get entire tier 1 cities built in 10. What will the new American reich accomplish?

> What will the new American reich accomplish?

Likely the same thing as all the proceeding empires - carnage, destruction, and the laughter of blood thirsty gods.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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The disconnect here for me is, I assume the DoW and Anthropic signed a contract at some point and that contract most likely stipulated that these are the things they can do and these are the things they can't do. I would assume the original terms the DoW is now railing against were in those original contracts that they signed. In that case it looks like the DoW is acting in bad faith here, they signed the original co…

It's the Department of Defense. [1] "only an act of Congress can formally change the name of a federal department." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_14347 (edited to add the url I omitted)

Only Congress can declare war and Congress has the "power of the purse".

"You can just do things" (evil edition).

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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That's a fair point, but I think Dario's quote in GP corroborates ACX's story quite well: > "Two such use cases have never been included in our contracts with the Department of War..."

> "Two such use cases have never been included in our contracts with the Department of War..." While I agree with Anthropic's position on this regardless, the original contract wording does matter in terms of making either the government look even more unreasonable or Anthropic look a little less reasonable. The issue is a subtle ambiguity in Dario's statement: "...have never been included in our contracts" because i…

It does not matter. If Anthropic had been precise in this narrow way, there would have been some other nitpick to raise.

You're trying desperately to find a way that things can be at least a little normal, and I really do get it. It would be great if such a way existed. But it doesn't. I recommend you take a social media break like I'm about to, take the time you need to mourn the era of normal politics, and come back with a full understanding that the US government is not pursuing normal policy objectives with bad decisions. They hate you and they hate me for not being on their side, and their primary goal is to ensure that we're as miserable as they can make us.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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That's a fair point, but I think Dario's quote in GP corroborates ACX's story quite well: > "Two such use cases have never been included in our contracts with the Department of War..."

Also, Trump's own words complaining about being forced to stick to Anthropic's terms of service: > The Leftwing nut jobs at Anthropic have made a DISASTROUS MISTAKE trying to STRONG-ARM the Department of War, and force them to obey their Terms of Service instead of our Constitution.

His M.O. is to accuse his opponent of the very thing he is doing. It’s the party of bad-faith.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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"Effective immediately, no contractor, supplier, or partner that does business with the United States military may conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic." This is authoritarian behavior. You're having trouble negotiating a contract, so instead of just canceling it - you basically ban all of F500 from doing business with that firm.

The US is currently an autocracy/idiocracy. A staggeringly corrupt, busted nation.

Soon enough the midterms will be effectively cancelled.

Americans remain blissfully unaware.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Did the DoW ask for these things? This whole thing seems like people talking past each other, and that there’s something being left unsaid. Anthropic doesn’t make a product that would assist with kill drones, and they don’t have the right to deny subpoenas.

Anthropic specifically called out systems "that take humans out of the loop entirely and automate selecting and engaging targets". I take that to mean they don't want the military using Claude to decide who to kill. As a hyperbolic yet frankly realistic example, they don't want Claude to make a mistake and direct the military to kill innocent children accidentally identified as narco-terrorists. At least, that's the…

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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The disconnect here for me is, I assume the DoW and Anthropic signed a contract at some point and that contract most likely stipulated that these are the things they can do and these are the things they can't do. I would assume the original terms the DoW is now railing against were in those original contracts that they signed. In that case it looks like the DoW is acting in bad faith here, they signed the original co…

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Wow, and the only restrictions Anthropic asked for are (1) no mass domestic surveillance and (2) require human-in-the-loop for killing [1]. Those seem exceptionally reasonable, and even rather weak, lol :| [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war

That's the restrictions for now. New restrictions could be added later or the situation of the world could change where those no longer seem reasonable. The military needs that ability to move fast and not be held back.

Even the most cockeyed reading of history will tell you that it is absolutely vital to the survival of humanity and all that is good on this earth that the US military be tied down and held back.
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