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Evidence for this claim?
A few generations ago almost nobody could afford a car, now many low income families afford two.
Maybe cars are not cheaper, just easier to finance due to the modern credit systems?
Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use
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Yes, and my point is that thinking the cost of subscriptions is only inference, and not the research, is mistaken. They can totally lose money on subscriptions despite the costs of inference, because research costs have to be counted too.
> Yes, and my point is that thinking the cost of subscriptions is only inference, and not the research, is mistaken. Of course they are losing money when you factor in R&D. Everybody knows that. That is not what people mean when they say that they "lose money" on subscriptions.
> That is not what people mean
I don't really think that view is as widespread as you believe.
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I'm not going to say what platform but it's an agentic coding tool, I know for a fact the platform loses in the mid $200.00s on a $20.00 plan. 10:1 loss leader for customer acquisition is crazy, and they'll have to make that up in the future somehow, they're all fumbling on how to vendor lock their customers, and its not necessarily clear they're going to be able to. I expect some big falls from 10 figure businesses…
Calling LLM users "slot machine users" makes no sense and tells me that you just have an axe to grind.
Found the guy who's chasing the llm output dragon. Get your fix bud.
The addictive gaming/gambling mechanics built into llm interfaces has been extensively written on, and its very visible to anyone with an eye for these things.
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> But wouldn't a less efficient tool simply consume your 5-hour/weekly quota faster? Maybe. First, Anthropic is also trying to manage user satisfaction as well as costs. If OpenCode or whatever burns through your limits faster, are you likely to place the blame on OpenCode? Maybe a good analogy was when DoorDash/GrubHub/Uber Eats/etc signed up restaurants to their system without their permission. When things didn't g…
> are you likely to place the blame on OpenCode? am I ? Probably, but I get your point that your average user would blame Anthropic instead. > even if total token limits are the same, less caching means higher costs Not really, flat-rate pricing simply gives you a fixed token allotment, so less caching means you consume your 5-hour/weekly allotment faster.
> Not really, flat-rate pricing simply gives you a fixed token allotment, so less caching means you consume your 5-hour/weekly allotment faster.
Higher costs for Anthropic, not users. With a tool that caches suboptimally, you cost Anthropic more per token.
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> They give users 2 choices: a) use their service via their public API, with the client(s) of their choice, at the regular price point; b) use the apps they provide, which use a private API, at a discounted price point. There was a third choice, which was better than both of the ones presented: use any other client that can talk with our API, at whatever usage rate they deemed acceptable. If the "private API" was acc…
There was no third choice if they didn't explicitly state that there was. > If the "private API" was accessible via OAuth, then it's hardly "private". If you invite people on your porch for a party, and someone finds that you left the house key under the mat and went off to restock, then it's hardly "private". It's perfectly fine for whomever feels like to take the party indoors without your permission. Pretty much w…
Try not making it sound like the company is doing me a favor by letting me access the thing I was paying for. I wasn't "invited to a party", I was sold on an agreement that by paying a guaranteed monthly fee I could have access to the model at a rate that was lower than the pay-as-you-go rate from the API.
The primary offering is access to the models. That's what the subscription is about. They can try as hard as they want to market it as Claude being the product and access to the model being an ancillary service, but to me this is just marketing bs. No one is signing-up for Claude because their website is nicer, or because of Claude Code.
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> This is, plain and simple, a tie-in sale of claude code. I am particularly amused by people accepting it as "fair" because in Brazil this is an illegal practice I am very curious what is particularly illegal about this. On the sales page nowhere do they actually talk about the API https://claude.com/pricing Now we all know obviously the API is being used because that is how things work, but you are not actually pay…
It's basically the difference between pro-market capitalism and pro-business capitalism. The value to the society comes from competition in the market and from the businesses' ability to choose freely how they do business. When those two goals are in conflict, which one should be prioritized? Anthropic provides an API third-party clients can use. The pro-market position is that the API must be available at every pric…
So if Claude code didn’t communicate with Anthropic’s server using a well defined public api but some obscure undocumented binary format it would be fine?
Or should every app/service be required to expose documented APIs?
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> This is, plain and simple, a tie-in sale of claude code. I am particularly amused by people accepting it as "fair" because in Brazil this is an illegal practice I am very curious what is particularly illegal about this. On the sales page nowhere do they actually talk about the API https://claude.com/pricing Now we all know obviously the API is being used because that is how things work, but you are not actually pay…
Imagine if video service came with a free TV that watched you, and was really opinionated about what you watch, and you could only watch your videos on the creeper TV.
I can’t was Netflix on Amazon’s streaming app or the other way around? So yeah, its the same
Anthropic isn’t handing out free PCs or forcing people to use them.
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Do they make enough to replace their GPUs in two years?
if 100% of the money they spend is in inference priced by tokens (they don't say about subscriptions so i asume they lost money), yes they make money, but their expenses are way higher than inference alone. so they can make the gpu cost if they sell tokens but in reality this isnt the case, becouse they have to constaly train new models, subscription marketing, R&D, And overhead. antropic in general lost way less mon…
https://www.ismichaelburryright.com/
Is my goto reference for debt numbers etc.
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Anthropic is going to be on the losing side with this. Models are too fungible, it's really about vibes, and Claude Code is far too fat and opinionated. Ironically, they're holding back innovation, and it's burning the loyalty the model team is earning.
I thought Anthropic would fall after OpenAI, but they just might be racing to the bottom faster here.
I think they're doing a great job on the coding front though
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Some people drop out of the game as it gets harder. I've basically stopped looking at youtube videos unless I want it enough to download it (and wait if the current workarounds broke) with how much they've clamped down on no-account usage. Most I suspect just give in to the company's terms.
I just use NewPipe all the way.
It hadn't worked for me for a long time, though I did notice an update recently, so maybe it's good again. I like it better than Grayjay