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Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by Maxion »

ethbr1 wrote: post #732
vineyardmike wrote: post #703

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America has lost over 50% of farms and farmers since 1900. Farming used to be a significant employer, and now it's not. Farming used to be a significant part of the GDP, and now it's not. Farming used to be politically significant... and not its complicated? . If you go to the many small towns in farm country across the United States, I think the last 100 years will look a lot closer to "doom" than "bumps in the road…

Same thing with Walmart and local shops. On the one hand, it brings a greater selection, at cheaper prices, delivered faster, to communities. On the other hand, it steamrolls any competing businesses and extracts money that previously circulated locally (to shareholders instead).

> it brings a greater selection,

Greater selection in one store perhaps, but over a continent you now have one garden shovel model.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by Maxion »

simondotau wrote: post #530
jatari wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it is a trick question due to it being non-sensical. The AI is interpreting it in the only way that makes sense, the car is already at the car wash, should you take a 2nd car to the car wash 50 meters away or walk. It should just respond "this question doesn't make any sense, can you rephrase it or add additional information"

What part of this is nonsensical? “I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?” The goal is clearly stated in the very first sentence. A valid solution is already given in the second sentence. The third sentence only seems tricky because the answer is so painfully obvious that it feels like a trick.

Where I live right now, there is no washing of cars as it's -5F. I can want as much as I like. If I'd go to the car wash, it'd be to say hi to Jimmy my friend who lives there.

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My car is a Lambo. I only hand wash it since it's worth a million USD. The car wash accross the street is automated. I won't stick my lambo in it. I'm going to the car wash to pick up my girlfriend who works there.

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I want to wash my car because it's dirty, but my friend is currently borrowing it. He asked me to come get my car as it's at the car wash.

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The original prompt is intentionally ambigous. There are multiple correct interpretations.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by SatvikBeri »

Alifatisk wrote: post #541

> Sonnet 4.5, starting at $3/$15 per million tokens. Are people really willing to pay these prices? The open-weight models are catching up in a rapid pace while keeping the prices so low. MiniMax M2.5, Kimi 2.5 and GLM-5 is dirt cheap compared to this. They may not be sota but they are more than good enough.

At work I'll buy a max subscription for anyone on my team who wants it. If it saves 1-2 hours a month it's worth it, and people get that even if they only use the LLMs to search the codebase. And the frontier models are noticeably better than others, still.

At home I have a $20/month subscription and that's covered everything I need so far. If I wanted to do more at home, I'd seriously look into the open weight models.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by mkbkn »

fhub wrote: post #731

They use the word "Sonnet" 60+ times on that page but never give the casual reader any context of what a "Sonnet model" actually is. Neither does their landing page. You have to scroll all the way to the footer to find a link under the "Models" section. You click it and you finally get the description "Hybrid reasoning model with superior intelligence for agents, featuring a 1M context window" You then compare that t…

Perhaps AI wrote the announcement.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by reeredfdfdf »

bandrami wrote: post #718
nl wrote: post #686

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Last I checked, the tractor and plow are doing a lot more work than 3 farmers, yet we've got more jobs and grow more food. Not sure when you checked. In the US more food is grown for sure. For example just since 2007 it has grown from $342B to $417B, adjusted for inflation[1]. But employment has shrunk massively, from 14M in 1910 to around 3M now[2] - and 1910 was well after the introduction of tractors (plows not…

That's his point. Drastically reducing agricultural employment didn't keep us from getting fed (and led to a significantly richer population overall -- there's a reason people left the villages for the industrial cities)

But where will office workers displaced by AI leave? Industrialization brought demand for factory work (and later grew service sector), but I can't see what new opportunities AI is creating. There are only so many service people AI billionaires need to employ.

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by vintermann »

dakolli wrote: post #486
zmmmmm wrote: post #400

I see a big focus on computer use - you can tell they think there is a lot of value there and in truth it may be as big as coding if they convincingly pull it off. However I am still mystified by the safety aspect. They say the model has greatly improved resistance. But their own safety evaluation says 8% of the time their automated adversarial system was able to one-shot a successful injection takeover even with saf…

Their goal is to monopolize labor for anything that has to do with i/o on a computer, which is way more than SWE. Its simple, this technology literally cannot create new jobs it simply can cause one engineer (or any worker whos job has to do with computer i/o) to do the work of 3, therefore allowing you to replace workers (and overwork the ones you keep). Companies don't need "more work" half the "features"/"products…

Reply to your edit: what if we wanted to do with the water was simply to drink it?

"Meritocratic climbing on the social ladder", I'm sorry but what are you on about?? As if that was the meaning in life? As if that was even a goal in itself?

If it's one thing we need to learn in the age of AI, it's not to confuse the means to an end and the end itself!

Re: Claude Sonnet 4.6

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Post by awestroke »

ManlyBread wrote: post #448

Still fails the car wash question, I took the prompt from the title of this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47031580 The answer was "Walk! It would be a bit counterproductive to drive a dirty car 50 meters just to get it washed — you'd barely move before arriving. Walking takes less than a minute, and you can simply drive it through the wash and walk back home afterward." I've tried several other variant…

Tried this with Claude models, ChatGPT models and Gemini models. Haiku and Sonnet failed almost every time, as did ChatGPT models. Gemini succeeded with reasoning, but used Google Maps tool calls without reasoning (lol). 50% success rate still.

The only model that consistently answers it correctly is Opus 4.6

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