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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> What's new is that X automated the production of obscene or sexualised images by providing grok. Yes we are now dealing with an automated Photoshop. And somehow the people in charge have decided to do something about it, probably more for political or maybe darker reasons. So let me make a suggestion: maybe France or the EU should ban its citizen from investing in the upcoming SpaceX/xAI IPO, and also Microsoft, NV…

> Yes we are now dealing with an automated Photoshop. And somehow the people in charge have decided to do something about it, probably more for political or maybe darker reasons. I don't get what's difficult to understand or believe here. Grok causes a big issue in practice right now, a larger issue than photoshop, and it should be easy for X to regulate it themselves like the competition does but they don't, so the…

> it should be easy for X to regulate it themselves like the competition does but they don't

Yes they do regulate it. But then people find exploits just like the competition.

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It's also just very basic police work. We're investigating this company, we think they've committed a crime. Ok, why do you think that. Well they've very publicly and obviously committed a crime. Ok, are you going to prosecute them? Probably. Have you gone to their offices and gathered evidence? No thanks. Of course they're going to raid their offices! They're investigating a crime! It would be quite literally insane…

that's kinda the normalization argument, not the reason behind it "it is done because it's always done so"

Isn't it both necessary and normal if they need more information about why they were generating CSAM? I don't know why the rule of law shouldn't apply to child pornography or why it would be incorrect to normalize the prosecution of CSAM creators.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Let's raid car companies too. We were all born into this. We never had a vote. Thomas Jefferson is said to have written Constitutions ought to be re-written every so often or the dead rule by fiat decree. Let's. The rich can join in the austerity too. No one voted for them. We been conditioned to pick acquiescence or poverty. We were abused into kowtowing to a bunch of pants shitting dementia addled olds educated in…

People in France don’t give a stuff about the u.s constitution.

Focused on a tree and not the forest.

Treat that part like a variable and insert relevant French history.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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https://bsky.social/about/blog/01-17-2025-moderation-2024 "In 2024, Bluesky submitted 1,154 reports for confirmed CSAM to the National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC). Reports consist of the account details, along with manually reviewed media by one of our specialized child safety moderators. Each report can involve many pieces of media, though most reports involve under five pieces of media." If it…

But that is the difference, they actually do something against it.

https://blog.x.com/en_us/topics/company/2023/an-update-on-ou...

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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In which broken society do you live where this is true? I would say drawing sexually explicit pictures of real persons without their consent and keeping them in your drawer is neither illegal nor morally reprehensible in most of the world. I am with you on publishing these...

Not morally reprehensible? Do you tell your coworkers “hey, last night I sketched you nude, but it’s cool, it’s in my bedside drawer…”

I've had a coworker tell me something very close to that before. I could have been morally outraged but instead I just propositioned them for a date.

Personally I think it's just embarrassing, not immoral.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Did you miss the numerous news reports? Example: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/08/ai-chatbo... For obvious reasons, decent people are not about to go out and try to general child sexual abuse material to prove a point to you, if that’s what you’re asking for.

First of all, the Guardian is known to be heavily biased again Musk. They always try hard to make everything about him sound as negative as possible. Second, last time I tried, Grok even refused to create pictures of naked adults. I just tried again and this is still the case: https://x.com/i/grok/share/1cd2a181583f473f811c0d58996232ab The claim that they released a tool with "seemingly no guardrailes" is therefore c…

>First of all, the Guardian is known to be heavily biased again Musk.

Biased against the man asking Epstein which day would be best for the "wildest" party.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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If there is a glut of legal, AI generated CSAM material then this provides a lot of deniability for criminal creators/spreaders that cause genuine harm, and reduces "vigilance" of prosecutors, too ("it's probably just AI generated anyway..."). You could make a multitude of arguments against that perspective, but at least there is a conclusive reason for legal restrictions. > What is the criteria for this? My criteria…

> You could make a multitude of arguments against that perspective, but at least there is a conclusive reason for legal restrictions. But that reason is highly problematic. Laws should be able to stand on their own for their reasons. Saying 'this makes enforcement of other laws harder' does not do that. You could use the same reasoning against encryption. > You could make the same argument that a hidden camera in a l…

Laws against money laundering come to kind. It's illegal for you to send money from your legal business to my personal account and for me to send it from my personal account to your other legal business, not because the net result is illegal, but because me being in the middle makes it harder for "law enforcement" to trace the transaction.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> Yes we are now dealing with an automated Photoshop. And somehow the people in charge have decided to do something about it, probably more for political or maybe darker reasons. I don't get what's difficult to understand or believe here. Grok causes a big issue in practice right now, a larger issue than photoshop, and it should be easy for X to regulate it themselves like the competition does but they don't, so the…

> it should be easy for X to regulate it themselves like the competition does but they don't Yes they do regulate it. But then people find exploits just like the competition.

I don't think that's a candid description of how X handled this.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> I remember when CSAM meant actual children not computer graphics. The "oh its photoshop" defence was an early one, which required the law to change in the uk to be "depictions" of children, so that people who talk about ebephiles don't have an out for creating/distributing illegal content.

There still needs to be sexual abuse depicted, no? Just naked kids should not be an issue, right?

Naked kid pictures intended for sexual gratification are illegal in most countries
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