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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by Tempest1981 »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #413
xracy wrote: post #307

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At this point I am praying that one of the things pushing back on this administration will be American Companies that have gotten rich on the back of "American Globalism", learning just how much it hurts when the US doesn't do its responsibility to remain Allies with it's nominal Allies. And the EU, Canada, and anyone else who the current US administration is slighting, should absolutely be moving cash hard and fast…

The day I heard trump wants to fire Powell and manage the fed « his own way », I emptied all my trading accounts and bought gold. I guess I’m not alone, gold is exploding.

And silver, even more so, for whatever reason.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by zx8080 »

softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

EU market is _very_ regulated comparing to the US one, and also don't dismiss the language barrier in the european countries. Not everyone speaks English.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by solidsnack9000 »

trymas wrote: post #722
joe_mamba wrote: post #616

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Why are you moving the goalposts from your parent's point? Yes, the middle eastern wars were a huge issue form the US, but that doesn't explain EU own goaling itself for 20+ years with terrible policies and choices, with or without helping the US in the middle east.

I am saying that for last 30 years actions of European NATO counterparts was not "undermining the relationship". Also since 2014 there was a 10 year plan devised to get everyone to strictly follow 2% budget commitment. Which happened before you and I even heard about trump starting a presidential campaign (or even if it was there was nothing about NATO, etc). This happened (better later than never) due to ruzzian att…

My understanding is that the 2% budget commitment was met or exceeded by all NATO countries only as late as 2025. The Obama administration ended in 2017.

Europeans not taking care of themselves has been "undermining the relationship".

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by solidsnack9000 »

tsimionescu wrote: post #564
solidsnack9000 wrote: post #538

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The EU would also have opposed it if the US bought Russian, Chinese or Iranian weaponry. The EU does seem to willing to reduce itself to a Chinese vassal. That would not improve the situation.

The right play is to maintain relationships (including arms trading) with multiple major powers - as Canada's PM very deftly pointed out at Davos. Getting closer to China doesn't mean exchanging one master for another - it can and should be a way to increase the alternatives available, without going all the way in the other direction. > The EU would also have opposed it if the US bought Russian, Chinese or Iranian we…

I mean, you offered a basically similar, implausible counterfactual. I think we can agree that it is at least parties that the EU would have opposed purchases of Chinese, Russian or Iranian weapons by the USA and vice versa -- but Russia and Iran have been sanctioned for long periods of time (Iran, basically continuously) by both the EU and the USA, and Russia is the main territorial threat to the EU, so maybe only China is really an interesting possibility here.

Arms trading with China is probably not a good idea at all.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by solidsnack9000 »

tsimionescu wrote: post #410
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #363

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The whole point is the USA has been complaining that the EU was/is reducing itself to a vassal. No matter what the USA said or did before they didn't seem to care that they had no power anymore because the USA was there to take care of them. The EU can't realign itself with China because that would destroy the last fragile bits of the EU economy that are left. They are already having issues with the excess supply lan…

No, the USA does not, in any way, and has never wanted or even accepted EU countries being independent. They wanted the EU to spend more on US weaponry, and maybe on their own - but would have vehemently opposed any attempt by any EU country to buy Russian, Chinese, Iranian or any such weaponry. They want the EU to stop regulating American companies, but they certainly don't want EU companies being too successful in…

They certainly wouldn't allow EU tech companies access to the US defense market, while of course insisting that the EU and other NATO members buy US built weaponry.

This is really ridiculous. There are many successful EU vendors of defense technology to the US military. Safran, Schmidt & Bender, Heckler & Koch, Saab, Glock, Fabrique National -- there is a long list. The USA has built real partnerships in these areas.

One amusing example is the C7 and C8. These are AR-15 (M16) variants made by Colt Canada and adopted by the militaries of the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway; and used by special forces in the UK.

Where are you getting your information from, that the US wouldn't allow wouldn't allow EU tech companies access to the US defense market?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by MrDresden »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #752
pengaru wrote: post #290

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What happened to Jitsi?

They switched to requiring google/microsoft accounts, and now dead to me. Looking at jami now.

This only (but still sadly) applies to the use of the meet.jit.si instance.

If you self host there are no such requirements.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by LunaSea »

mgh95 wrote: post #771
LunaSea wrote: post #672

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The dollar losing its value probably makes it correct again now since early 2025.

The dollar strengthened against the CAD in 2025 compared to the figures I used. It really only weakened against the EUR and RMB.

January 1st 2025: $1 USD = $1.44 CAD

January 28th 2026: $1 USD = $1.36 CAD

Seems like the USD weakened against the CAD too no?

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by MrDresden »

627467 wrote: post #704

It will mean little if the infrastructure is still dependent on volatile partners (and I'm bundling allies and adversaries in this). The core problem is Europe has been very successful betting and building upon though choices made by others (eg. Cheap manufacture in China, cheap energy in Russia, cheap defense/capital from US, cheap manpower/migrants from developing countries...). Europe from its high ground flaunts…

You say this like you are unaware of how the US has utilizied cheap manufacturing in China, relied on imported manpower from both developed and developing countries as well as, until recently, been a net importer of energy from other nations.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by deaux »

kitd wrote: post #622
kettlecorn wrote: post #558

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The decades long level of trust in the US and its institutions was unprecedented and built off of the tremendous goodwill and momentum post WW2. It was an unusually high degree of trust, and now it's unusually low. Even if the US reverses its policies it will take a very long time to rebuild trust, and even then the historical warning marker of the Trump admin will be studied as a reason to never return to the prior…

My fear as a Briton and European is that even when Trump departs, the distrust remains so long as the US continues to be so politically divided. The chance of Trump being replaced by someone similar or worse will make most European politicians (incl UK ones) throw their hands up in despair.

It should be your hope rather than your fear.

The UK seems a lost cause though, even under Starmer it has been far more appeasing than any (West-)EU country. And as right-wing as Starmer is, your next PM will inevitably be even moreso and more buddy-buddy with the US. Perhaps even a personal friend of MAGA.

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