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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by pydry »

phucyucuz0 wrote: post #778
pydry wrote: post #511

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The Soviet Union used to routinely criticize dissident Nobel Peace Prize winner Andrei Sakharov for having nothing to say about American atrocities. " I don't know anything about them, I don't care about them, what I talk about are Soviet atrocities. " he replied. I wonder how many of the people arguing that "more leftists should be out protesting Iran" agree with the Soviet Union's criticism of its dissident? My gue…

Sakharov actually owned it. He straight up was like "I don't care about them" He never claimed to be the champion of the Americans. On the other hand, the Left seems to claim to be the main representative of women and gay rights for example, everywhere. You can't build your entire brand on "solidarity with the oppressed" and then ghost the moment you don't have the same specific advantage you want for your agenda. Sa…

Expressing solidarity with the victims of genocide whom your government helped kill isnt a branding exercise.

Not unless you're a cynical, murderous psychopath.

It's an expression of basic human decency.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by [deleted] »

kelipso wrote: post #780
rayiner wrote: post #768

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I really do not understand immigrants who still love their home country. I’m going to die 12 thousand miles away from where my ancestors are buried going back tens of thousands of years. After spending most of my life with ashy dry skin because I’m somewhere I’m not designed to be. All because my ancestors fucked everything up! Fuck those people.

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by rayiner »

kelipso wrote: post #780
rayiner wrote: post #768

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I really do not understand immigrants who still love their home country. I’m going to die 12 thousand miles away from where my ancestors are buried going back tens of thousands of years. After spending most of my life with ashy dry skin because I’m somewhere I’m not designed to be. All because my ancestors fucked everything up! Fuck those people.

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I’m sure it’s Twitter, and not the fact I had to go to the airport with an armed escort the last time I visited, or that I had to cancel my most recent trip because they overthrew the government, again.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by joenot443 »

hearsathought wrote: post #603
joenot443 wrote: post #445

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I think when westerners like myself notice the disparity in response amongst western progressives between the Palestinian and Iranian situations, they're talking more from a social lens than the geopolitical one. A lot of my peers have been incredibly active on social media the last couple years supporting Palestinians. They've been mostly completely silent on Iran, the imbalance is notable.

> the Palestinian and Iranian situations It's simple. One is a genocide. The other is not. The more "israelis" ( or is it "iranian expat" ) like you try to pretend to be "westerners" and skew the conversation, the more obvious it becomes.

> The more "israelis"

I'm a Canadian with an Irish/Ukrainian background who's never been to the Middle East. I've been using this username for 20y now, nobody's pretending to be anyone here.

Do you really think I'm some kind of Mossad-bot? This topic sends otherwise normal communities into an absolute epistemic frenzy, I swear.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by joenot443 »

epsters wrote: post #559
hersko wrote: post #515

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This is a wild take. You think the arab spring, Syrian revolution, Libyan revolution, Iraq war, interventions in Somalia and Sudan etc.. we're all CIA operations at the behest of Israel? Seriously?

I mentioned many conflicts and many countries so this is very broad to cover in one comment but i will try, briefly. I have heard many theories given over the years to justify these interventions - democracy, capitalism, liberalism, oil, minerals, gas-pipelines, gas-fields, neoconservatism, neoliberalism, neo-colonialism, fighting terror, WMDs, fighting rogue states, checking expansionism, checking communism, counter…

> What did America get out of the Iraq War? Was Libyan intervention a net win for France ? Or Europe? My question is after 20 years, how much of those theories still hold up. Don't get me wrong, many of those things mentioned were indeed motivations and played a part in many of the cases. But ultimately most of these theories crumble in the face of 20 years of evidence. Except the Israel Theory

This is pretty poor reasoning, just FYI.

We don't need a centralized "theory" for why western powers have interfered in the Middle East for so long. There's no conspiracy or orchestration, what you're referring to are a handful of related but ultimately separate sagas involving a litany of countries, ethnic groups, and geopolitical motivations. To suggest there's a singular theory or plan is just silly.

This is Qanon level thinking, I'll be honest.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by joenot443 »

direwolf20 wrote: post #720
nickff wrote: post #694

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Well, if you're only going to count modern states, the only previous one to occupy that area was the Ottoman Empire. After that, there was a British Mandate, but that wasn't a state. Modern states only started after the Treaty of Westphalia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Westphalia

Does the modern Israel state have continuity from the Ottoman empire?

Are these questions you're unable to answer yourself, or are you playing some kind of game?

I think you should just be honest about how you feel.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by busterarm »

kelipso wrote: post #780
rayiner wrote: post #768

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I really do not understand immigrants who still love their home country. I’m going to die 12 thousand miles away from where my ancestors are buried going back tens of thousands of years. After spending most of my life with ashy dry skin because I’m somewhere I’m not designed to be. All because my ancestors fucked everything up! Fuck those people.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11340543

I haven't met him personally, but years of trading ideas with him in threads and I can tell you this is true. rayiner is among the best of us.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by busterarm »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #774
busterarm wrote: post #733

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It's fun to be reminded boards like this can have extremists that think they're in the majority. Sanctions against Iran are imposed by the United Nations (also the US, UK and EU). That means that UN member states think that sanctions against Iran are politically palatable. It's definitionally mainstream opinion that Iran should be sanctioned.

And? Realizing that you can't convince me that punishing the population is correct, you fall back to "Well a bunch of nation states are kowtowing to American hegemony" which is frankly pathetic.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You argued that my position was so absurd that no reasonable person would express it. I'm just pointing out that that's the position of the majority of the world's governments and quite mainstream.

Your statement was just blatantly false and slightly defamatory.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by anonair »

CMay wrote: post #742
derelicta wrote: post #718

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Splitting the country in two? Okay, but then you show them how to do it with YOUR country as example. I'm sure your freedom loving soul won't mind leading the way.

Our country is already split into a bunch of pieces, so that's easy. In the US, many people do move when they don't like the local policies and there are many different states to choose from that handle issues differently.

why Minnesotans don't choose another state to live in instead of protesting ICE?
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