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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by rat87 »

callamdelaney wrote: post #765
kjellsbells wrote: post #240

FWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders. Then again, we have ICE shooting American citizens in the streets, so I guess the law is whatever they decide it is, not least because our legislative branch is uninterested in laws. https://www.congres…

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Except neither of the two most prominent people shot were fighting LEA. They were opposing illegal actions of ICE but they were not fighting

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by nailer »

AngryData wrote: post #716
rlt wrote: post #540

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it misfired it likely misfired as it was being taken, not while in his holster. If you’re detaining someone who has a gun and a gun goes off it’s incompetent, maybe negligent, but not murder to react by shooting the guy who had the gun. I don’t think anyone can draw definitive conclusions from the videos.

How is that not murder? In your scenario the guy is still innocent and he was shot to death because of ICE being scared by their own incompetence. If someone claps their hands and I reflexively mag dump you on the street, am I not guilty of murder?

> If someone claps their hands and I reflexively mag dump you on the street, am I not guilty of murder?

Comparing hearing a clap to a GUNSHOT is wild.

Ninety nine percent of people including you and everyone on HN would, if involved in a scuffle with an aggressive armed man would respond to a sudden gun shot by shooting the armed guy.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by rat87 »

newfriend wrote: post #697
kjellsbells wrote: post #240

FWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders. Then again, we have ICE shooting American citizens in the streets, so I guess the law is whatever they decide it is, not least because our legislative branch is uninterested in laws. https://www.congres…

They're also not eligible to be living in the US, yet here we are.

And yet we do nothing to punish the actual criminals, the employees who knowingly higher then abuse them. Why don't we deport Trump, Trump tower wouldn't even be around without polish workers who were here illegally

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by nailer »

saubeidl wrote: post #734
nailer wrote: post #625

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have reports of serious incidents between members of the public and federal agents in Florida as you allege or are you just on HN to insult people but not actually respond to their arguments? If so, what happened?

The people in Florida voted "the right way", so they don't get brutalized by the regimes enforcers. I don't think this proves the point you think it does.

Could be a massive conspiracy to punish voters could be the lack of vigilante groups attacking cops while on duty. I guess we’ll never know.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by mothballed »

rat87 wrote: post #781
callamdelaney wrote: post #765

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Except neither of the two most prominent people shot were fighting LEA. They were opposing illegal actions of ICE but they were not fighting

He opposed ICE by ... peacefully kneeling over, surrendering his arms, offering his head for execution, and going out with a quiet whimper.

It's likely a strong moral boost to ICE; I think he helped than more than hurt them. They're emboldened now that they know their opponents will just hand over their guns and die.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by callamdelaney »

mothballed wrote: post #785
rat87 wrote: post #781

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except neither of the two most prominent people shot were fighting LEA. They were opposing illegal actions of ICE but they were not fighting

He opposed ICE by ... peacefully kneeling over, surrendering his arms, offering his head for execution, and going out with a quiet whimper. It's likely a strong moral boost to ICE; I think he helped than more than hurt them. They're emboldened now that they know their opponents will just hand over their guns and die.

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by hluska »

neilv wrote: post #287
tasty_freeze wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reminds me of when Eric Schmidt, then CEO of google, tried that argument about people's worry of google collecting so much personal data. Some media outlet then published a bunch of personal information about Schmidt they had gathered using only google searches, including where he lives, his salary, his political donations, and where his kids went to school. Schmidt was not amused.

That questionable-sounding stunt by the media outlet wasn't comparable: Google/Alphabet knows much more about individuals than addresses, salary, and political donations. Google/Alphabet knows quite a lot about your sentiments, what information you've seen, your relationships, who can get to you, who you can get to, your hopes and fears, your economic situation, your health conditions, assorted kompromat, your moveme…

It wasn’t a stunt and there was nothing questionable about it. I’m amazed by how easily people shit all over journalists - it really has to end because it is precisely how truth dies.

Here’s a question - since you have such strong feelings did you write the editor of the piece for their explanation?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by self_awareness »

Jun8 wrote: post #606
befeltingu wrote: post #550

How could a non citizen who came illegally be on Medicaid?

They cannot receive from federally funded Medicaid but some states have programs or state-funded Medicaid programs that allow non-citizens to benefit. CA and NY do for some categories. See this example for WI: https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/medicaid/noncitizens.htm

These programs really support illegal immigrants? They support legal immigrants, for sure, but the question was about illegal immigrants?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by lm28469 »

simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

> The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases.

I'd say the classic example is when a small german man with a mustache starts looking in religious registries to find the address of certain types of people

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