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Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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> American football handegg*

Also: basketball -> handball hockey -> stickball volleyball -> handball rugby -> handegg baseball -> stickball cricket -> stickball golf -> stickball Hopefully this will finally appease the football literalists and make things simpler for you all to understand :)

I find it werid that you keep calling soccer football.

Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Please not that again, my server was down for 2 days last time! (I did join CloudFlare CDN after that)

Cloudflare seems to be sorting it out (mostly).

CF is exposes my own hypocrisy more than any other company. I am always the first person to say that humans shouldn’t be centralizing so much into so few hands, but then… I use CloudFlare, I recommend it to others, and the company has a fairly decent track record.

Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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No matter which new technology arises on the horizon... what is tainted is not internet, not AI. Is the entire purpose on follow dollars.

I hated when needed to see Google reports for ads. And be in a rush for SEO. This was a game of rats, no real knowledge, just attempts to satisfy an Algorithm that changed on weekly base.

I quit Facebook / Instagram / Google ads 6 years ago. Why? Because my advertisement was feeding the system on who show concurrent advertisement, collecting habits of MY customers.

So the system is broken. Stop pursuing the american dream and the wild capitalism. This new generation is building immunity to many of these things, at least until their engineers find a way to take control of these minds.

About where to go... I think we need to be satisfied with less, in the sense we need to buy a new car every year, nor new clothes just for fashion, neither gadgets just by compulsive appeal.

Buy the best you can, use it the most before discard it. Exchange fast food for what your granparents used to be fed. Know that you can be happy by yourself, not by what they said you need in the last 100 years. Life is that, the way is that. But many fall in the western system propaganda.

Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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AI is not and cannot be search. Search is dead and has been for a few years now. Search has seemingly been subsumed into the LLM monster, considering how "fuzzy" queries have become (probably because they're not hitting the search algorithm without being massaged by "something else"). Significant portions of the web have been purged from Google's index, which means that neither Gemini nor Search can present those pag…

When people say "search is dead", I feel like you and I live on different planets. If I have an idea of what I want, Google search works great. On the rare occasion I don't know the specific thing I'm looking for, Gemini points the way. It had never ever been easier for me to find what I'm looking for on the internet, since 1993-1994. I do wonder how much browser, location, and language plays into this.

I believed these sorts of statements a few years ago, but not anymore. Results were hit-and-miss enough to give the benefit-of-the-doubt. They're now so bad that I assume bad faith, either on the part of the speaker or Google.

Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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It’s not the advertising or eyeballs.

GenAI allows everyone to build their own stuff and find their customers without ads.

The ad business is doomed.

And if you think Gen-Z or Gen-Alpha are a capturable audience, I gotta bridge to sell you.

You have one slim hope. Engage with smart young people that are savvy at today’s comms and can create and edit their own content.

Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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>Look where everyone is looking and you'll find your answer there. It may not be in the same form as Google adwords, but the game is the same. Leveraging attention. The chill that ran down my spine when I realized that you and TFA think that the part people care about is Google as an ad platform , and not as a way to access websites. Jesus fucking Christ, things are bleak.

Do you know how Google makes money?

I actually don't care. Most people don't. We care about the quality of service. Aside from Google employees and shareholders, I assume that most users would prefer a useful service that barely makes the company any money, versus a money-printer that's useless and a PITA to use.

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I recently took someone to go and watch a hockey game. Been a little while but I personally played as a goalie myself. The person kept making the comment that she couldn't see/find the puck and it made it frustrating to watch. As a goalie, not being able to see the puck is pretty normal (especially with big bodies trying to screen you). What I told her was that what matters a lot more than where the puck is, is where…

In my anecdotal experience, it's moved to private, trust-based channels: iMessage, WhatsApp, email, face-to-face interactions. Our 30-year bender of putting our lives online and blurring the public and the private has finally ended: people don't want to be online, don't trust social media, don't really trust any media, and are living simple local lives with a small circle of friends that they get together with regula…

> Most of my friends have money, houses

Yeah, these are genuinely the only people worth advertising to anymore in a practical sense, if you are selling something non-essential.

Because of the K shaped economy a lot of people in the US are spending whatever they make on bare essentials like rent, food and paying off debt like student loans and consumer debt.

Advertise to those masses all you want, on whatever platforms you want, cant get water from a stone.

Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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In my anecdotal experience, it's moved to private, trust-based channels: iMessage, WhatsApp, email, face-to-face interactions. Our 30-year bender of putting our lives online and blurring the public and the private has finally ended: people don't want to be online, don't trust social media, don't really trust any media, and are living simple local lives with a small circle of friends that they get together with regula…

It's interesting to see how much of a behemoth Discord has become. Seems like there's a Discord for everything - from open source projects to hobbies and games to individual groups of friends/family. It's occupying the segment that subreddits historically have. However, it's perhaps-intentionally search-opaque. You can't Google to find a message/link/download that's gated by Discord. And it also gives a sense of comm…

It's funny how things change but stay the same. I cut my teeth online in the mid nineties with usenet and IRC. When reddit got big, subreddits always reminded me of usenet groups. Now Discord is big and reminds me of IRC. Substack reminds me of personal blogs. Twitter/X sort of reminds me of ICQ/AIM.

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I just Googled "kids magic show in Durban" and his ad showed up in the top slot (sorry if this post has swamped your ad bill); and as a bonus, the Gemini AI blurb also touted him: "For kids' magic shows in Durban, look for local entertainers like Big Top Entertainment..." Doesn't seem like the issue is he's being outbid by international conglomerates with million dollar budgets. Maybe the kids magic show market has c…

Google ads are very time & location dependent, the fact that it's showing to you might be a bad sign since you are most likely not close to Durban and this seems like an ad you only want to run locally.

If I google for kids show in Durban, even if not from Durban, I want to see Durban related results.

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I had a very interesting discussion with a friend today, where I was talking to her about the /r/golang thread about Rob Pike's comments to OpenAI and how the thread was full of bots talking with other bots. No idea why the density of bots was so high in that thread, it was kind of absurd to see. Then she said: "I know nobody that comments on online forums. Nobody would ever comment to strangers on the internet. It's…

I think the idea that nobody would talk to strangers online is a bit too general. We are all mostly doing it here. I do it on reddit all the time in the same recurring subreddits that I've grown to trust. IRC was also pretty hostile back in the 90s. But again it depended on the communities. Just think you can't generalize the internet this way.

True I would also add that this an exception to most social media platforms. I feel as there is a roundtable Everytime somone posts a something. I'm some how invited and listening, whether I comment or say something is entirely up to what I have to share. Argument or debate isnt so aggressiveas it's factual based for the most part.
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