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Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by jjaksic »

npinsker wrote: post #694
jameslk wrote: post #685

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may be viewed that way, but it’s also useful to empathize with someone and get more detail/nuance that can’t be conveyed simply over text. Especially when someone is not happy. I usually do the same thing when the medium is text and someone is not happy. Tone conveys a lot of useful information. Even better if you can see a person and their body language. I don’t think the cynical view of the staff person’s intent…

The request by itself is fine; it's not about that, but about the nuance within the word choice and what it conveys. It appears the OP is an incredibly valuable community member that has been deeply affronted and hurt by the recent changes. Any attitude other than "I'll move heaven and earth to make this right for you" will likely feel insufficient. Even failing that, I'd at least expect an attitude of "I really, REA…

"Hop on a call" is also tone-deaf.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by nativeit »

tremon wrote: post #778
N_Lens wrote: post #735

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The fact that your comment is needed to explain these basic nuances says something about the emotional skills of HN readership.

Please keep in mind that not everyone here speaks corporate English as their native language.

We’d all be better off if nobody did.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by nativeit »

kstenerud wrote: post #369

I know that everyone has already given their opinions about what kinds of people are involved and their motivations, but this is really about two fallible humans, one listing grievances and another asking to open a communication channel. That's it. Anything else you read into this is going to be fraught with your own coloring based on a hundred words written in text (a notoriously difficult medium to establish emotio…

If only there were some kind of communication channel, maybe like a “forum”, where people could communicate openly…but where could such a thing even be found??

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by OhMeadhbh »

port11 wrote: post #277
OhMeadhbh wrote: post #166

I worked on adding TLS 1.1 and 1.2 support to firefox back in the day, and the whole process left me so disappointed I asked to be removed from the list of contributors. I wish mozilla all the best, but it's not an especially well run organization and this post gives another example of why.

I submitted 2 patches during an 2018 open night to bring in more volunteers in Berlin. The actual folk there were amazing, but the review process, tooling, and bureaucracy was so upsetting that I never bothered again. I'm not sure the fixes were approved, and it wouldn't be surprising if these open nights don't convince many to contribute.

Yeah. That sounds about right. I have nothing but good things to say about my peers. Management, on the other hand, was pretty bad.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by nativeit »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #710
ninetyninenine wrote: post #605

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Why do humans pretend this is the most sensible way to go. You know on HN even with all these “polite” rules to make everything civil I still see shit that really just bends and goes around the rules. Example comments: “I’m baffled at how someone can think this way.” The tone is always performatively mild, but the intent is identical to “you’re an idiot.” Except they wrap it in this passive-aggressive intellectual co…

This is sure an opinion.

I’m gonna need that translated for me.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by skopje »

hulitu wrote: post #773
skopje wrote: post #616

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>> because what I have to do to it to keep it as usable I find this confusing. Why is Firefox so much effort? Install it + badger + adnauseum. Done. Why so hard for you? I am not a power user, is that why I don't see the effort?

> I find this confusing. Why is Firefox so much effort? The new UI sucks (titlebar highjacking, tiny scrollbar), phones to Google by default (safe browsing), a lot of bad defaults. > Install it + badger + adnauseum So you need to install other stuff to make it usable. /s

Oh I see what you mean. I think of that as "one time setup" that any software needs, and not a bellyache.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by nativeit »

Seattle3503 wrote: post #726
dimal wrote: post #664

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Betrayal has that effect. They're supposed to be the good side. They abandoned that, and now they're just like any other unsuccessful tech company, desperately clinging to relevance while discarding all the ideals that made some of us support them.

How would you run Firefox? How would you challenge Google and keep the web open?

I missed the part where the parent commenter applied for the job.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by nativeit »

Seattle3503 wrote: post #728
Aerolfos wrote: post #341

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>The Mozilla leadership seems to have a unfortunate tendency to emulate the behaviors of the tech companies that their core Firefox project is often seen as an alternative too. But of course, they need "competitive" salaries so they can hire "great talent" from the tech sector so that the company doesn't fall behind or something.

How would you develop Firefox?

You certainly have a style. Much better: how would you run Mozilla/develop Firefox?

Any answer that’s not fully bulletproof immediately rules any other opinions you may hold illegitimate.

/s

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by nativeit »

badgersnake wrote: post #233
Stranger43 wrote: post #169

I think a fundamental lack of understanding/humility is the core of this conflict along with Mozilla's long and storied history of creating controversies/problems out of thin air. The Mozilla leadership seems to have a unfortunate tendency to emulate the behaviors of the tech companies that their core Firefox project is often seen as an alternative too. Firefox is a good browser but is prevented from capitalizing on…

> Firefox is a good browser Increasingly it isn’t. It’s crashing 2 or 3 times a day for me now, and video conferencing is barely usable.

It’s my primary browser on every device, I use Windows, Linux, and Apple devices daily. I can’t remember the last time it crashed (if ever). I also use a ton of extensions, some of which are a little sketchy (devlopment-wise, nothing morally questionable). Still, no technical issues at all. The behavior of Mozilla, on the other hand, I take plenty of issue with.

Edit: correcting autocorrect.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by int_19h »

Jach wrote: post #450
int_19h wrote: post #366

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Not really. I have observed the same thing in Russian, and no, it's not for expressions that are translated literally. Having said that, SOTA models got much better at this kinda stuff. They're quite able to write in a way that is indistinguishable from a native speaker, colloquialisms and all, with the right prompting. But SOTA models are also expensive. Most automated translations are done with something way cheape…

That's basically my complaint about all these AI translations being shoved around in places. If they were better, I'd complain less. I suppose they'll get better eventually, but that's not really guaranteed. Google Translate is still somehow terrible and has stagnated for a long time -- things got a little bit better with DeepL but now SOTA LLMs (e.g. ChatGPT) are quite good (even if they still have quite some ways t…

Reasoning models are pretty interesting for this because they can iterate on the translation to get the subtle parts (like tone) right, especially if you prompt them to do so specifically.
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