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Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by antonvs »

p_j_w wrote: post #778
txcwg002 wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think of this counterpoint from Balaji? "CZ deserves his pardon. His show trial of a prosecution was a combination of regulatory railroading and ethnic persecution for being Chinese-Canadian. Imagine if Macron was held personally responsible for every crime committed by the 67M citizens of France, and you'll get the absurdity of holding CZ personally responsible for the actions of a few of the 250M+ Binan…

>In the physical world, the Biden admin gleefully abolished the police. When did this happen?

I wonder which police it was, as well, since the only police the Biden administration had control over were federal agencies such as the FBI.

I’m tempted to think “Fox News is a hell of a drug.”

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by ThrowMeAway1618 »

_jsmh wrote: post #493
Alifatisk wrote: post #188

I cannot comprehend how half of Americans are fine with this corrupt leader? He even does this bizarre maffia like deals out in the open for his own interest, that's how confident he is no one will say anything The message is clear from his circus administration, you can do anything as long as you bribe them

I want to understand what you said. You assumed the leader is corrupt, possibly assumed the leader has bad intentions, and that the world can't possibly be more complex than these assumptions. Assumed the leader made this choice instead of a team behind him. Then presented a generality. Possibly assumed he doesn't know more than you and "everyone who won't say anything". Called an entire administration a circus. Anot…

>How does one respond constructively to a comment like this?

How indeed? You certainly didn't.

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by antonvs »

Terr_ wrote: post #657
noisy_boy wrote: post #647

There should be a limit on the number of pardons a president can do during their tenure so that they have to at least think a bit before using it. It is a very powerful tool that actually allows a last resort. But this kind of egregious abuse of it's power means it needs to be kept in check.

> There should be a limit There is, and the Constitution says the limit is impeachment and removal from office by Congress. That won't happen unless we fix how we talk about the ones responsible, to wit: The Republican Party pardoned these criminals. The Republican Party is snatching Americans off the streets. The Republican Party is using the military to murder people on boats. The Republican Party is demolishing do…

> the Constitution says the limit is impeachment and removal from office by Congress

Why do you think most US presidents wait until the end of their term to pardon people?

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by angst »

martythemaniak wrote: post #257

COLLINS: Today you pardoned the founded of Binance. Can you explain why you did that? TRUMP: Which one was that? COLLINS: The founder of Binance TRUMP: I believe we're talking about the same person, because I do pardon a lot of people. I don't know. He was recommended by a lot of people. https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m3v6mnpkb52i

“Today you pardoned the founder of Binance,” Collins began. “Can you explain why you chose to pardon him, and did it have anything to do with his involvement in your family's —

“Which one, who was that?” Trump asked.

“The founder of Binance,” Collins continued. “He has involvement in your own family’s crypto business.”

“The recent one? I believe we’re talking about the same person, because I do pardon a lot of people,” Trump said. “I don’t know. He was recommended by a lot of people. A lot of people say that — Are you talking about the crypto person? A lot of people say he wasn’t guilty of anything, he served four months in jail, and they say that he wasn’t guilty of anything.”

As Collins attempted to clarify, Trump jumped in, saying, “Well, you don’t know much about crypto — you know nothing about nothing, you fake news!”

Trump then continued answering the question.

“He was somebody, as I was told — I don’t believe I have ever met him — but I’ve been told he had a lot of support. And they said what he did is not even a crime. That he was persecuted by the Biden administration. And so I gave him a pardon at the request of some very good people.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-scolds-kaitlan-col...

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

LexiMax wrote: post #635
ajross wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> these past few administrations I remain amazed at how, again and again, no matter how specific and unique an abuse by the Trump administration is, it is always, invariably, Really Joe Biden's Fault. Like, the frame has been adopted by the MAGA base, but also the cranky left. The media does it too. Here on HN bothsidesism is a shibboleth that denotes "I'm a Serious Commenter and not a Partisan Hack". But it leads to…

> Here on HN bothsidesism is a shibboleth that denotes "I'm a Serious Commenter and not a Partisan Hack". HN users don't necessarily do that because they want to. They might do it as a pre-emptive defense mechanism against the brigades of de-facto censors that roam the site. Moderation via populism is an anti-feature on its face, but Hacker News has the worst possible version of that sort of feature by making downvot…

I have showdead enabled, and in my experience, the only dead comments are ones which violate the site guidelines or are otherwise Bad Posts regardless of the political affiliation of the poster. Stuff like this:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45689291

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by nobody9999 »

coliveira wrote: post #268
daveguy wrote: post #222

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Well, to be fair, 7 million showed up in the streets on Saturday. Up from 5 million before and up from 3 million before that. The last election was decided by 2.3 million votes. Edit1: That's not to say don't worry about it. That's to say everyone can show their displeasure with peaceful protest and involvement/activism that will make it clear the people of the US disagree with this corruption. No matter how much any…

From the 7 millions that did show up, very close to zero of them will be deciding the next election due to the way the election system works in the US.

>From the 7 millions that did show up, very close to zero of them will be deciding the next election due to the way the election system works in the US.

That's not really true. Check the margins of victory in so-called "swing" states (Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada and North Carolina) for Trump and compare that with each state's turnout at last weekend's protests.

So no. Many more than "close to zero" of those folks will be deciding the next presidential election.

Edit: Corrected prose.

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by eviks »

p_j_w wrote: post #778
txcwg002 wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think of this counterpoint from Balaji? "CZ deserves his pardon. His show trial of a prosecution was a combination of regulatory railroading and ethnic persecution for being Chinese-Canadian. Imagine if Macron was held personally responsible for every crime committed by the 67M citizens of France, and you'll get the absurdity of holding CZ personally responsible for the actions of a few of the 250M+ Binan…

>In the physical world, the Biden admin gleefully abolished the police. When did this happen?

In the imaginary rhetorical timeline

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by eviks »

noisy_boy wrote: post #647

There should be a limit on the number of pardons a president can do during their tenure so that they have to at least think a bit before using it. It is a very powerful tool that actually allows a last resort. But this kind of egregious abuse of it's power means it needs to be kept in check.

How would that help? They'll reserve the pardons only for corruption and leave the regular folks, eg with fake convictions , without justice. You're not checking any power without addressing the cause

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #101
jamesblonde wrote: post #82

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Whataboutism. Has to be called out.

What about the whataboutism of whataboutism? I.e. meta-whataboutism The use of whataboutism and the ‘calling out’ of whataboutisms are both mechanisms of narrative control.

Whataboutism is a rhetological fallacy. Making fallacies is bad. Pointing out fallacies (or as you put it, "narrative control") is good.
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