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Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by hinach4n »

DanielHB wrote: post #769
wraptile wrote: post #689

I'm a scraper developer and Anubis would have worked 10 - 20 years ago, but now all broad scrapers run on a real headless browser with full cookie support and costs relatively nothing in compute. I'd be surprised if LLM bots would use anything else given the fact that they have all of this compute and engineers already available. That being said, one point is very correct here - by far the best effort to resist broad…

How do you bypass cloudflare? I do some light scrapping for some personal stuff, but I can't figure out how to bypass it. Like do you randomize IPs using several VPNs at the same time? I usually just sit there on my phone pressing the "I am not a robot box" when it triggers.

I believe usually you would bypass by using residential ips / proxies?

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by lagniappe »

thrance wrote: post #732
octo888 wrote: post #646

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an aversion to the sexualised depiction of girls barely the age of puberty or under the age of consent. I'd ask why you /don't/ have an aversion to that? (yes, "not all anime" etc...)

You know, there are enough real pedophiles in the world, like POTUS for instance. No need to go after made up ones.

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Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by Aachen »

troyvit wrote: post #777
jcelerier wrote: post #752

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we have customers in our offices pretty much every day, I think "no anime girls on screens" is a fair request

It's an MIT licensed, open project. Fork it and change the icon to your favorite white-bread corporate logo if you want. It would probably take less time than complaining about it on HN.

I think the complaint is rather that you don't know when it will rear its face on third-party websites that you are visiting as part of work. Forking wouldn't help with not seeing it on other sites

(Even if I agree that the boss or customers should just get over it. It's not like they're drawing genitalia on screen and it's also easily explainable if they don't already know it themselves.)

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by naikrovek »

s1mplicissimus wrote: post #127
naikrovek wrote: post #123

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Isn't using an anime catgirl avatar the exact opposite of "look at meee"?

no. it's someone wanting attention and feeling ok creating an interstitial page to capture your attention which does not prove you're a human while saying that the page proves you're human.

the entire thing is ridiculous. and only those who see no problem shoving anime catgirls into the face of others will deploy it. maybe that's a lot of people; maybe only I object to this. The reality is that there's no technical reason to deploy it, as called out in the linked blog article, so the only reason to do this is a "look at meee" reason, or to announce that one is a fan of this kind of thing, which is another "look at meee"-style reason.

Why do I object to things like this? Because once you start doing things like this, doing things for attention, you must continually escalate in order to keep capturing that attention. Ad companies do this, and they don't see a problem in escalation, and they know they have to do it. People quickly learn to ignore ads, so in order to make your page loads count as an advertiser, you must employ means which draw attention to your ads. It's the same with people who no longer draw attention to themselves because they like anime catgirls. Now they must put an interstitial page up to force you to see that they like anime catgirls. We've already established that the interstitial page accomplishes nothing other than showing you the image, so showing the image must be the intent. That is what I object to.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by miki123211 »

wraptile wrote: post #689

I'm a scraper developer and Anubis would have worked 10 - 20 years ago, but now all broad scrapers run on a real headless browser with full cookie support and costs relatively nothing in compute. I'd be surprised if LLM bots would use anything else given the fact that they have all of this compute and engineers already available. That being said, one point is very correct here - by far the best effort to resist broad…

This only works if you're a low-value site (which admittedly most sites are).

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by troyvit »

tgv wrote: post #686
technion wrote: post #362

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It really should be recognised just how many people are watching Cloudflare interstitials on nearly every site these days (and I totally get why this happens) yet making a huge amount of noise about Anubis on a very small amount of sites.

That says something about the chosen picture, doesn't it? Probably that it's not well liked. It certainly isn't neutral, while the Cloudfare page is.

Nothing says, "Change out the logo for something that doesn't make my clients tingle in an uncomfortable way" like the MIT license.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by Aachen »

anarki8 wrote: post #566

Article might be a bit shallow, or maybe my understanding of how Anubis works is incorrect? 1. Anubis makes you calculate a challenge. 2. You get a "token" that you can use for a week to access the website. 3. (I don't see this being considered in the article) "token" that is used too much is rate limited. Calculating a new token for each request is expensive.

That, but apparently also restrictions on what tech you can use to access the website:

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44971990 person being blocked with `message looking something like "you failed"`

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44970290 mentions of other requirements that are allegedly on purpose to block older clients (as browser emulators presumably often would appear to be, because why would they bother implementing newer mechanisms when the web has backwards compatibility)

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by TZubiri »

account42 wrote: post #650
TZubiri wrote: post #500

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As I understand it, this is Proof of Work, which is strictly not a mouse and cat situation.

It is because you are dealing with crawlers that already have a nontrivial cost per page, adding something relatively trivial that is still within the bounds regular users accept won't change the motivations of bad actors at all.

What is the existing cost per page? as far as I know an http request and some string parsing is somewhat trivial, say 14kb of bandwidth per page?

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by trenchpilgrim »

1gn15 wrote: post #513
whatevaa wrote: post #449

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Bots don't respect that.

Use a CDN.

A great option for most people, and indeed Anubis' README recommends using Cloudflare if possible. However, not everyone can use a paid CDN. Some people can't pay because their payment methods aren't accepted. Some people need to serve content or to countries which a major CDN can't for legal and compliance reasons. Some organizations need their own independent infrastructure to serve their organizational misson.

Re: Why are anime catgirls blocking my access to the Linux kernel?

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Post by necovek »

JimDabell wrote: post #529
necovek wrote: post #515

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We are obviously living a different Internet reality, and that's the whole point — we need numbers to really establish baseline truth. FTR, I am mostly browsing from Serbia using Firefox browser on a Linux or MacOS machine.

I don’t think we are living in a different reality, I just don’t think you are accounting for all the CAPTCHAs you successfully pass without seeing .

Wouldn't it be nice to have a good study that supports either your or my view?

FWIW, I've never been stopped by Anubis, so even if it's much more rarely implemented, that's still infinitely less than 5-10 captchas a day I do see regularly. I do agree it's still different scales, but I don't trust your gut feel either. Thus a suggestion to look for a study.

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