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Yeah recipes are the worst. I least the acknowledge themselves and give you a “jump to recipe” button most of the time. I sometimes hit the print button and just use the preview screen too.
Paprika (an app for storing recipes) can parse out the ingredient list and directions from a webpage. It's surprisingly good at it.
AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks
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Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks
#782Of course slow, shitty web sites also cause a massive drop in clicks, as soon as an alternative to clicking emerges. It's just like on HN, if I see an interesting title and want to know what the article is about, I can wince and click the article link, but it's much faster and easier to click the HN comments link and infer the info I want from the comments. That difference is almost entirely from the crappy overdesig…
Iv'e been focusing on comments on social media for I don't know how long. It works 90% of the time as a pretty good summary for some reason. I do this on hackernews, and especially on news-sites I check (cleantechnica, electrec, reneweconomy) and I actively shun sites _without_ comments.
Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks
#783Here is the experience when clicking a link on mobile: * Page loads, immediately when I start scrolling and reading a popup trying to get tracking consent * If I am lucky, there is a "necessary only". When unlucky I need to click "manage options" and first see how to reject all tracking * There is a sticky banner on top/bottom taking 20-30% of my screen upselling me a subscription or asking me to install their app. U…
Yes, this is the experience on virtually every content website that used to be tolerable or even good. But this is because there is no viable monetization model for non-editorial written word content anymore and hasn’t been for a decade. Google killed the ecosystem they helped create. Google also killed the display ad market by monopolizing it with Adsense and then killed Adsense revenue sharing with creators to take…
If I'm searching "how to get an intuitive understanding of dot product and cross product", any open source model right now will do a perfectly fine job. By the time that the ad-pocalypse reaches AI answers, the models I mention will be at the point of being able to be run locally using consumer hardware. Probably every phone will run one.
I suspect in the next decade we will see the business model of "make money via advertising while trying/pretending to provide knowledge" become well and truly dead.
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Yes, this is the experience on virtually every content website that used to be tolerable or even good. But this is because there is no viable monetization model for non-editorial written word content anymore and hasn’t been for a decade. Google killed the ecosystem they helped create. Google also killed the display ad market by monopolizing it with Adsense and then killed Adsense revenue sharing with creators to take…
YouTube is 20 years old now. Either the encrapification is very slow or they landed on a decent ad model. Plus there is a subscription that eliminates ads. I think it’s a great experience for users. Many creators also seem to do well too. I think this should be the model for a new generation of search. Obviously there will be ads/sponsored results. But there should be a subscription option to eliminate the ads. The k…
And they have some kind of little games now, which I don't have any interest in, but they have no option to remove them from my suggestions.
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> ignores the high-quality NHS care delivery websites, and presents you with stuff from US sites Weird because although I dislike what Google Search has become as much as any other HNer, one thing that mostly does work well is localised content. Since I live in a small country next to a big country that speaks the same language, it's quite noticeable to me that Google goes to great lengths to find the actually releva…
But what if I don't want the search engine company to know where I am? (I mean, I don't generally make a big secret of it. But still.)
But I feel like this is quite an unrelated problem, IPs being linked to a country is a fundamental part of the current architecture of the Internet.
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I also don’t use a hammer when a screwdriver is at hand and is the most appropriate tool. It’s the classic XYProblem.
It's not an XY problem or anything to do with customer service. It's more of a UX problem. Users are being presented with highly convenient AI summaries that have a relatively high level of innaccuracy.
Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks
#787Of course slow, shitty web sites also cause a massive drop in clicks, as soon as an alternative to clicking emerges. It's just like on HN, if I see an interesting title and want to know what the article is about, I can wince and click the article link, but it's much faster and easier to click the HN comments link and infer the info I want from the comments. That difference is almost entirely from the crappy overdesig…
https://lite.cnn.com for example.
I'm not a big fan of CNN but this is something I'd like to see more of.
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#788Earlier quoted context omitted.
YouTube is 20 years old now. Either the encrapification is very slow or they landed on a decent ad model. Plus there is a subscription that eliminates ads. I think it’s a great experience for users. Many creators also seem to do well too. I think this should be the model for a new generation of search. Obviously there will be ads/sponsored results. But there should be a subscription option to eliminate the ads. The k…
It's funny, I had YouTube's paid offering for a few years (I used the service a lot and want to support non ad-based revenue streams). But they changed something a while back that started giving me a degraded experience, and eventually made the site unusable. Did some digging and it turns out they were detecting my adblock and intentionally making my experience bad despite being a paid customer. I submitted a ticket…
> Ads are useful and have their place in keeping the web accessible to everyone,
No. Advertising is a cancer on commerce.
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I understand that, I’m in the middle of a project right now that has no commercial value to me. What I’m not going to do is offer it up to Google et al so they can profit from it.
> What I’m not going to do is offer it up to Google et al so they can profit from it. What are you going to do with it? If you publish it, the law currently allows Google to hoover it up and there's nothing you can do about it.
In that instance, google loses value over time because less and less valuable content is published because there's no point because people may read it as an AI summary but probably aren't going to share their own findings or discuss with you anyway.
Re: AI overviews cause massive drop in search clicks
#790Why is this being framed as a problem? People are obviously happier with the new feature, duh Of course they need to make the AI overviews suck less, but saying it’s unfair to sites is crazy talk because your site now just generates less value than an AI response if that’s what stopped you from going If you have content better than Gemini I will still go to your site
Because some companies are going bankrupt because of the data google is taking. Google always had a weird relationship with sites, they sort of needed each other but google always had the upper hand, now it’s even worse