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Alice Newton-Rex, head of product at WhatsApp: “Alongside of private messaging, people were saying they wanted to hear more about topics, teams and organizations across WhatsApp.” - I am pretty sure NO ONE asked to hear about more topics and organizations across whatsapp.

From TFA: "Meta’s ad business is “in as strong a position now as it’s ever been,” said Brian Wieser, an analyst and founder of the consulting firm Madison and Wall. The company’s share of the global digital ad business is around 15 percent, he said. Last year, almost all of Meta’s $164 billion in revenue came from advertising." TL;dr: Advertising business injects more advertising.

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I guess this was expected, but it makes me feel really powerless in the sense that I can't really move away from WhatsApp. I have a couple of friends that I message via Signal and even convinced my dad to use it a while back, but here in Brazil WhatsApp is _everything_, and I doubt most people care about this at all. In my case, I'd love to just go over to Signal fully but then I couldn't talk to family, friends, and…

Yup. Non-traveling US Americans mostly won’t understand how critical WhatsApp is in many parts of the world, for more than a decade. It’s much much stronger than the iMessage norm in the US.

Businesses put WhatsApp numbers on their stores, and it’s often the only way to get a hold of a person. I would bet it’s more used than email, especially for young people. If WhatsApp went down for a week, it would seriously impede normal societal functions. It’s pretty much de-facto standard and arguably critical infrastructure.

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WhatsApp make billions of dollars but Meta wants it to make hundreds of billions. There's no way to appease the dragon.

Curious how whatsapp makes any money besides the handful of companies that use it as a customer support portal

WhatsApp integrates into the rest of Meta ads machine so it distribute leads from facebook and instagram directly to whatsapp. It also makes money with spam.

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They do try to upsell you hard though... 1st party ads are still ads

How is that an ad? You get limited set of features for free, if you want to use other features, they tell you it's only available in paid version.

They advertise in the sidebar, offer discounts for the first month, occasional free trials of Pro features. You don’t have to try to use a Pro feature to get the sales pitch.

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If this concerns you and you must use WhatsApp, I highly suggest installing it on a separate device only used for WhatsApp, that doesn't have any contacts besides the ones in WhatsApp, which should only have a name and phone number, and registering it with a burner SIM, or from a virtual service. An additional layer of security would be installing it in a Work profile in Android (maybe the new profiles feature works…

I wish it was possible to give contacts permission the same way one can share photos. Apps should not have free access to all contacts but anything else is currently highly impractical to the point of being unusable. (Android work profile is a good idea, unfortunately that profile is usually take up by… work)

On iPhone, it is. Can set “limited access” for contacts just as you can for photos.

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Alice Newton-Rex, head of product at WhatsApp: “Alongside of private messaging, people were saying they wanted to hear more about topics, teams and organizations across WhatsApp.” - I am pretty sure NO ONE asked to hear about more topics and organizations across whatsapp.

The questionnaire that produced these results: Would you like to hear more about topics, teams, and organizations? If no, please explain using at least 1000 characters (required) [ ] yes [ ] no

pretty easy to copy and paste the question about 100 times to get the 1k char minimum :)

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> Sure, Matrix is a thing, but every time I look at it, all I see is criticism of its specifications and poor interoperability between implementations? Not sure what you're talking about. Everything is working fine for me, and they even conduct a whole conference about it annually: https://2024.matrix.org/ With a large number of clients and servers and the lack of a walled garden (like with Signal), you will always f…

I'm not talking about the client ecosystem. I'm talking about the server ecosystem. There is only one fully-featured one, Synapse, everything else is in Alpha or Beta, feature-incomplete, or abandoned. When I looked into writing my own implementation, the protocol seemed underspecified to me. "Do what synapse does" seemed to be the concensus. This was a few years ago, so maybe things have improved. But given that no…

All I said applies to servers, and I even mentioned servers explicitly. Why don't you want to use Synapse?

> "Do what synapse does" seemed to be the concensus.

What's wrong with that?

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Nah, it's even simpler than that: after shoving enough surveys in users' faces (as they seem to semi-regularly do across all Meta products; I've had at least 2 in WhatsApp alone over the past few months), they've collected enough misclicks and drunk responses to be able to interpret them as lots of people wanting ads.

You think this decision was based on user feedback at all? The simplest explanation is that they want more revenue, and WhatsApp users were an obvious source they weren't exploiting enough.

Obviously, but Data Is King, so you need some to wipe and cover your ass even internally.

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I guess this was expected, but it makes me feel really powerless in the sense that I can't really move away from WhatsApp. I have a couple of friends that I message via Signal and even convinced my dad to use it a while back, but here in Brazil WhatsApp is _everything_, and I doubt most people care about this at all. In my case, I'd love to just go over to Signal fully but then I couldn't talk to family, friends, and…

This is why we need to unify on protocols, not platforms.

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I don’t have the actual stats, but, sadly, it seems like a gigantic chunk of the “i would rather pay a small fee to use a service rather than paying for it with exposure to ads” crowd is mostly all-talk. And I am saying this as someone who genuinely believes in the “small fee instead of paying with ad exposure” approach. The one specific example of this that made me think so is the Youtube Premium situation. So many…

YT Premium is pretty expensive. I think it costs as much for one user for a multi-device plan on Netflix? They don’t create nor curate much content. I am curious about the poster who has learned so much from YouTube — I have tried learning many topics from science to programming to home repairs, and finding a quality program can be very challenging, and there are a lot of programs which are actually elaborate sales p…

I'm not sure there's a ton of real full programs on YouTube that would really leave you with, say, a college level understanding of something. No doubt there's some, but it's def not the norm. Even for those courses you lack the ability to interact with the instructor.

Learning on YouTube 10 yrs ago meant supplementing your guitar skills cuz you didn't have a teacher. Or learning how a compressor works so you can use it yourself in music. It was always supplemental tidbits from numerous creators that helped me hone skills. Learned a ton about tools and woodworking too, but it was always me working for awhile then going back to get more information. Much more difficult to do in like, biology(probably don't have a bio lab) or a high risk repair like plumbing.

Pretty much any computer skill is going to have a cache of resources where filtering out trash is going to be the harder part. There are fantastic coding and modeling guides from very experienced people. Most financial things you should be very wary of except top professionals with proven credentials.

Asking a community who their favorite creators are can be a good place to start.

I bought one 14 part video course and the resources/assets it had were more valuable than the info. I exercise caution with that stuff now.

And I entirely agree YouTube asks too much for premium.

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