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Re: Trump temporarily drops tariffs to 10% for most countries

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"It’s the T-bills wot dun it." That’s my read on why the U.S. just paused the global tariff hike to 10%. From the beginning, I’ve believed the executive branch's real goal was to push down the yield on the 10-year Treasury. Why? Because Uncle Sam has to refinance a mountain of debt this year, and the cost of that depends heavily on Treasury yields — especially the 10-year. That’s the rate that sets the tone for every…

This sounds sensible but that's not what happened. The government debt is not an issue. Trump is more concerned about the stock market, and the market sent him a clear message.

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Why does the market like this? Tariffs are in place and unpredictability is now the norm. Tomorrow something new crazy will come out and then the next day and the next day. Even if US markets like this right now, the long term damage has been done. Betting on the medium-long term seems questionable at best.

The market doesn't know anything, the people who are trading are trading on FOMO and sentiment, because valuation is completely unpredictable when the global economy is being dictated by one man.

Re: Trump temporarily drops tariffs to 10% for most countries

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"It’s the T-bills wot dun it." That’s my read on why the U.S. just paused the global tariff hike to 10%. From the beginning, I’ve believed the executive branch's real goal was to push down the yield on the 10-year Treasury. Why? Because Uncle Sam has to refinance a mountain of debt this year, and the cost of that depends heavily on Treasury yields — especially the 10-year. That’s the rate that sets the tone for every…

Incompetence is way more dangerous than people realize. These tariffs are China's Four Pests campaign. Mao, a very trump like figure, decided to protect Chinese crops by destroying sparrows that were picking at them. Killing sparrows killed a predator of insects which did more damage to crops. This coupled with reality denying policies and ignoring experts led to one of the most devastating famines the world has ever…

If we're going full Mao, we'd be remiss if we didn't note that their plan for industry during the cultural revolution was "the proletariat will own small smelting operations next to their house". It checks out ideologically, workers controlling the means of production.. it just didn't work in reality.

Reminds me a lot of the thought process around having more manufacturing in the US by slapping tariffs around.

Re: Trump temporarily drops tariffs to 10% for most countries

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"It’s the T-bills wot dun it." That’s my read on why the U.S. just paused the global tariff hike to 10%. From the beginning, I’ve believed the executive branch's real goal was to push down the yield on the 10-year Treasury. Why? Because Uncle Sam has to refinance a mountain of debt this year, and the cost of that depends heavily on Treasury yields — especially the 10-year. That’s the rate that sets the tone for every…

The T-bill strategy wasn't a secret. Why they walked it back could also be attributed to bringing trade partners to heel at a point of maximum leverage. Or a lack of resolve in leadership. Or messaging and opportunism.

Will it pay off? Who knows. If it does, it will go down as one of the greatest gambits in modern history. If not, perhaps the end of dollar hegemony? End of the Global American Empire? Or nothing at all?

Re: Trump temporarily drops tariffs to 10% for most countries

#785

"It’s the T-bills wot dun it." That’s my read on why the U.S. just paused the global tariff hike to 10%. From the beginning, I’ve believed the executive branch's real goal was to push down the yield on the 10-year Treasury. Why? Because Uncle Sam has to refinance a mountain of debt this year, and the cost of that depends heavily on Treasury yields — especially the 10-year. That’s the rate that sets the tone for every…

The refinance is a real issue, but it doesn't matter too much cause the Fed can (and will) always intervene. They can soak up any supply to push the 10 year down. Same reason why it doesn't matter if China etc.. wants our treasuries. Fed is always there to buy them.

I'm not an economist but I believe this is only the case so long as USD is the global reserve currency. If that ceases to be the case, the Fed has a lot less power to print money and inflate debt away. I believe this is the case Ray Dalio has been making for some time now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xguam0TKMw8

Re: Trump temporarily drops tariffs to 10% for most countries

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Possibly because lawsuits challenging the power of the President to impose tariffs under the Emergency Economic Powers Act are underway.[1] GOP support for Congress taking back control of tariffs is building.[2] At some point, Congress or the courts will take his toys away. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/trump-tariffs-hit-lawsuit-group-his... [2] https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5236142-congress-tariff-...

I'm starting to subscribe to the idea this was blatant market manipulation. Trump is only out to make money, the guy never had any other thought in life since money gives him status, fame, and power. It's a grift, as any other of his grifts, but now he can manipulate the whole stock market with his power. There's nothing else that I can rationally come up with to explain this absurdity.

> Trump is only out to make money

Nope. Not even close. He's all about power, and the appearance of strength. It's no coincidence that he looks up to Putin.

Money is almost always a means to an end, and this is no exception.

Re: Trump temporarily drops tariffs to 10% for most countries

#787

"It’s the T-bills wot dun it." That’s my read on why the U.S. just paused the global tariff hike to 10%. From the beginning, I’ve believed the executive branch's real goal was to push down the yield on the 10-year Treasury. Why? Because Uncle Sam has to refinance a mountain of debt this year, and the cost of that depends heavily on Treasury yields — especially the 10-year. That’s the rate that sets the tone for every…

James Carville in the 90s: “I used to think that if there was reincarnation, I wanted to come back as the president or the pope or as a .400 baseball hitter. But now I would like to come back as the bond market. You can intimidate everybody.”

The name's Bond, Market Bond.

Re: Trump temporarily drops tariffs to 10% for most countries

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still wonder why this was not done instantly by EU. US has an imbalance on goods that was used to calculate the tariff amount, but it has the opposite imbalance on service from what I've read

Easy: because next to 100% of EU government computers run Windows and MS Office.

Not true. The European Union runs RHEL, OpenShift and some SUSE.

Re: Trump temporarily drops tariffs to 10% for most countries

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"It’s the T-bills wot dun it." That’s my read on why the U.S. just paused the global tariff hike to 10%. From the beginning, I’ve believed the executive branch's real goal was to push down the yield on the 10-year Treasury. Why? Because Uncle Sam has to refinance a mountain of debt this year, and the cost of that depends heavily on Treasury yields — especially the 10-year. That’s the rate that sets the tone for every…

I honestly don't think this was their overall goal (it doesn't logically make sense, given tax receipts dip during recessions and governments often take on even more debt,) but I do think that is why they blinked.

Re: Trump temporarily drops tariffs to 10% for most countries

#790

Possibly because lawsuits challenging the power of the President to impose tariffs under the Emergency Economic Powers Act are underway.[1] GOP support for Congress taking back control of tariffs is building.[2] At some point, Congress or the courts will take his toys away. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/trump-tariffs-hit-lawsuit-group-his... [2] https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5236142-congress-tariff-...

I've seen relatively little discussion about these lawsuits, but I do think there is a pretty good chance that SCOTUS will rule these tariffs unconstitutional. (It's certainly more likely than Congress rescinding the powers they've ceded to the presidency.) Constitutionally, the power to set tariffs resides with the Legislative branch, not the Executive branch. Congress has delegated some authority to set tariffs und…

The Supreme Court, in a 5-4 shadow docket decision, just enabled the Trump administration to deport people under the Alien Enemies Act -- a law that requires a declared war or an "invasion or predatory incursion...by a foreign nation or government." So I wouldn't get too excited about the idea that they're going to make a big stand on tariffs.
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