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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by Tainnor »

kragen wrote: post #732
Tainnor wrote: post #640

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> While I agree with you, it is observably true that many people take different positions on the issue and then demonize those who disagree with them, converting it into a partisan issue. Sure, but you have to draw a line somewhere. Even on HN, there are opinions that you can't express (repeatedly) without being banned, even though there are clearly people with such opinions. Otherwise it's the Nazi bar problem - eve…

I am not sure what opinion you thought I was trying to express. Evidently some sort of anti-censorship argument? To the contrary, my comment was explaining that the issue of US immigration has become highly polarized, and discussing highly polarized issues on HN is generally destructive, so probably we shouldn't attempt to discuss the issue here. This is closer to being a pro-censorship argument than an anti-censorsh…

You're advocating for avoiding polarised discussions because they degenerate quickly. I'm only pointing out that that's not the only option: you could allow these discussions while ruthlessly silencing bad faith actors (for whatever definition of "bad faith" you want to adopt). Those are both "pro-censorship" stances (although I prefer the word "moderation" to "censorship"), but they're going about it in different ways.

That's what I mean by the Nazi bar problem[0]: you can't solve it by just not allowing certain topics to be discussed, because eventually in some completely tangential situation, a nasty flamewar is going to erupt and people who are not Nazis will be appalled that there are Nazis here.

[0]: I'm explicitly not saying that certain opinions expressed on HN are literal Nazi opinions, the Nazi bar problem is just a convenient analogy for the situation when one group of people holds opinions that are utterly appalling to many other people that frequent the same space.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by Zambyte »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #776
kcplate wrote: post #402

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Why? I hear that all the time, but no one can ever really explain why its important for me to need to feel like I am on the “winning side” of two subjective evils in a contest?

You're living it.

They would still be if they had voted. I'm curious what the actual answer is too.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by johnnyanmac »

cutemonster wrote: post #503
mateus1 wrote: post #400

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Musk, Trump and DOGE topics are all being flagged, even if they are relevant… The tech world has blessed this regime.

I don't think 51% of the readers here need to flag something for it to get flagged - maybe more like 5% or 15%? I guess you can conclude that a few percent here likes Trump etc, but far from a majority

I doubt it's even percentages. It may be as low as a dozen users lurking on /new (or automating the process) to flag based on keywords from the title or article.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by johnnyanmac »

consteval wrote: post #585
iinnPP wrote: post #536

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As someone on neither side of that aisle I can tell you it is the smothering effect of attempting any logical discussion in those topics. The smothering effect comes from one side more often than not. The best part of it all is that you can post like the above with no clear side chosen and the people whom it applies to will react to it negatively as well.

In my experience during this last Trump campaign, the most effective way to rile conservatives is not to lie, but rather to tell the truth. Meaning, taking Trump at his word and repeating the words he said, in direct quotes. I think what's happening is that a lot of his constituents like him due to his personality, but they don't necessarily believe he is honest. So, they're betting on his dishonesty and using that a…

Well, in that case Trummp has done a fantastic job proving those people wrong. But that still confuses me: who can like this personality when it's on the world platform, and not just a TV stereotype?

Could we at least elect someone likeable like Bill Nye if we're voting based on "personality"?

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Post by brewers »

mandmandam wrote: post #779
lenerdenator wrote: post #770

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> How many Palestinians, mostly civilians, were held hostage in Israeli prisons on October 6th? (Hint: over 5,000). How many were there after trial? > Are you referencing long debunked fabricated accounts [0]? Or do you have any actual evidence of rape? Your own source indicates that there are UN investigators who found evidence of rape being carried out by Hamas terrorists. > Again - over 5,000 Palestinians were bei…

> How many were there after trial? A littler over 20% [0]. And, is it really a trial when the conviction rate is over 99%? > Your own source indicates that there are UN investigators who found evidence of rape being carried out by Hamas terrorists. No forensic evidence, no survivor testimony. The "credible evidence", when you read it, is that some people had their pants pulled down, and blood, which are both things t…

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Post by johnnyanmac »

sejje wrote: post #366
causal wrote: post #321

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This is an article about immigration which is highly relevant to US tech

Would they cover it on TV news? There's little-to-no discussion about the implications on tech, based on my reading of the comments. Just general politics and nationalism.

>Would they cover it on TV news?

Yes

> There's little-to-no discussion about the implications on tech, based on my reading of the comments.

You commented 3 hours in on a topic that was flagged for hours. How much discussion did you expect period?

The implications are obvious: other countries's businesses will be terrified reading this and refuse to enter the country. No one wants their liasons arrested by a foreign country. I can imagine many businesses in he EU marking the US as a no-fly zone over this story

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Post by fc417fc802 »

jcranmer wrote: post #90
freehorse wrote: post #41

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This whole situation -coupled with the outright bans or obstacles in giving visas to people from several countries- cannot but have unpredictable consequences. For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. And if they do, they should get boycotted. US right now is neither accessible nor safe for foreign citizens. And I bet recruiting or holding to high…

> For example, right now, I cannot imagine any big academic international conference keep taking place in the US. There is a language standards committee meeting that was going to take place in the US that is now not because too many attendees think the US is no longer a safe place to travel to. We're already seeing this damage take place.

Really sad the sibling comment got flagged to death. I code in English! Everyone should code in English! No more C++, no more language standards committees, no more nonstandard languages!

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Post by johnnyanmac »

anonshadow wrote: post #570

This is the money shot : "Companies like CoreCivic and GEO Group receive government funding based on the number of people they detain, which is why they lobby for stricter immigration policies. It’s a lucrative business: CoreCivic made over $560m from Ice contracts in a single year. In 2024, GEO Group made more than $763m from Ice contracts. The more detainees, the more money they make. It stands to reason that these…

follow the money as always. Same reason why US has the highest incarceration date. Incentivize people to be put in cells, and they'll optimize for it.

Hence why I'd rather revamp the incentives towards punishing recidivism and completely nailing petty imprisonments.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

tim333 wrote: post #684
anonshadow wrote: post #570

This is the money shot : "Companies like CoreCivic and GEO Group receive government funding based on the number of people they detain, which is why they lobby for stricter immigration policies. It’s a lucrative business: CoreCivic made over $560m from Ice contracts in a single year. In 2024, GEO Group made more than $763m from Ice contracts. The more detainees, the more money they make. It stands to reason that these…

I don't get the " tiny, freezing cement cell with bright fluorescent lights" and a foil blanket thing though. Why be so nasty? If you are making a business improperly detaining people it would only be likely to cause outrage and get it shut down? I'm curious as a non American why no one stops this. I mean presumably both political parties have not bothered. Do people in the US think it's ok? I think if that stuff hap…

A lot of America (even parts of the left) still fall for the "hard on crime" narrative. They assume the sentences are just, and thus bad people deserve the worst. Even if our constitution has a clause agaisnt "cruel and unusual punishment".

never-mind that we've had decades of initiatives using such prisons as a form of soft racism, something so longstanding that is publicly declassified information. And people still don't care.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by Vilian »

refurb wrote: post #464
Gigachad wrote: post #13

Governments need to start putting out travel warnings on the US. It’s becoming an increasingly dangerous place to visit.

They should put travel warnings on every country then. The woman in question tried to self-sponsor a TN visa after being denied earlier at the Canadian border. I can understand why USCBP starts to think “this woman is trying to commit fraud” not “innocent mistake”. I know most countries would detain and deport people attempting to commit immigration fraud. Not sure why people should hold the US to a higher standard t…

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