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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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One difficult I remember reading is: they can't always do things an obvious way someone else did because... patents.

Which is ironic, considering that patents are supposed to be non-obvious.

We're talking about a company that took another one to court because both of their products had rounded corners.

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The other phonemakers didn't grumble about the jack because they realized they could pull the same scam

Oh please. They all made fun of it and THEN switched a year later

I mean Apple wasn't the first to drop the jack either, there were other brands that had.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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With almost everyone using a case, magsafe doesn’t really need to be in the phone, it would probably be fine if it’s just in the case.

A lot of cases pass through the MagSafe. I personally charge almost exclusively via MagSafe desk and night stands. My phone is in a case.

I found that this heats up the battery thus shortening its lifespan for no good reason if a cable is available.

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Check out the battery life! > iPhone 16e has the best battery life ever on a 6.1-inch iPhone, lasting up to six hours longer than iPhone 11 and up to 12 hours longer than all generations of iPhone SE. Their page comparing models claims the new 16e gets "26 hours video playback." iPhone 16e: 26 hours iPhone 16: 22 hours iPhone 15: 20 hours iPhone 14: 20 hours iPhone 13: 19 hours iPhone 12: 17 hours iPhone 11: 17 hours…

Its been a long slog for Apple, they have been working on this since 2018, and they had to keep extending its supply agreements with Qualcomm... "Inside Apple’s Spectacular Failure to Build a Key Part for Its New iPhones" >The 2018 marching orders from Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook to design and build a modem chip—a part that connects iPhones to wireless carriers—led to the hiring of thousands of engineers. The goal…

I wonder who manufacturers them. Time to sell Qualcomm and buy ???

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> and the new Apple C1, the first cellular modem designed by Apple

This is the biggest announcement IMHO, it's been a long time coming for them to ship something after buying the patents from Intel. It makes sense to ship the first new radio in "not your flagship" and a good way to test it out.

I wonder if the iPhone 17 will have it or if they will wait another year to see how it does. I would imagine the 17 is pretty much locked down as of now so it's not like this phone is meant to test in the wild then use the tech in 17 since there isn't enough turnaround time.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Maybe now they can put a cellular modem in a MacBook Pro.

I hope it's not just the Pro, I really want it in a Macbook Air !

I agree that every device should have a cellular modem option. I am just annoyed that no matter how much I am willing to spend on Apple's top-end road warrior product, I cannot get an option available from Dell.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Which is why this came out in February, after most of the sales of the iPhone 16 are done. Which is also why we will probably see the discontinuation of the regular iPhone 16 this Fall when the iPhone 17 is introduced, with this 16e staying on at the same price for an extra year.

While I'm not an expert, betting on the older model staying at the same price point until after the next model is released is a fairly safe bet, if you don't get an ever bigger discount once the next version comes out in the fall. Unless their own modem fails horribly, it seems they will continue with the new modem on the 17, driving the 16e price down.

I do not expect the 16e to reduce in price for at last 18 months. Apple has been tightening the screws on its prices. Also, the c1 modem is not coming to every single device Apple makes this year. Qualcomm announced that there is a deal for new iPhone launches until 2026. We're not done yet with Qualcomm and Apple.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-11/apple-aap...

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post #671

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If you look at the math it's not even that complicated. Basic statistical inference and information theory. Seems like the difficult part is doing that effectively while avoiding IP issues -- patents on software and math have entrenched Qualcomm's dominance. Imagine if all of the IP for ML or AI were held by a single company that got the regulating body (ITU/3GPP) to require their use. Makes a mockery of FRAND terms.

Patents are the main thing here. Building a cellular modem, complete with working protocol stack, entirely in software has been done as a 1 person open source project. Making a production -ready modem is clearly more complex, but far from hard for a company with the resources of Apple. However, doing so whilst not violating any of qualcomms huge array of patents is the real challenge. I'm willing to bet that the rele…

There might be someone in government right now willing to flush obvious software patents

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Eventually, Apple (and 3p developers) will abandon you, and you'll need to throw away a perfectly good phone and take another step on the treadmill. I'm still hanging on to my perfectly working iPhone 7, while app developers tell me to fuck off left and right. It does everything I want a phone to do, but developers consider "old phones" to be icky and stop supporting them.

Yup - it was the same for me with the 2016 SE. Still runs perfectly fine, we're still doing the same old CRUD web shit for apps, but apparently now our apps are so much more advanced that there's no possible way they could keep supporting that "legacy" hardware. https://blog.bschwind.com/2025/01/11/the-original-iphone-se-...

I'm totally with you, with that article. It is terrible how owners of slightly-old hardware are treated by software developers. Leaving potentially millions of users out in the cold because they just can't be bothered to keep a maintenance branch around and backport a few fixes to it. For apps that are by and large not complicated. So much waste sacrificed at the altar of developer comfort!
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