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Elon's response: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889062013109703009 > Swindler In another tweet chain: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889063777792069911 > Scam Altman
wow I had no idea the level of discourse on that x website was so low, has it always been like this?
Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI
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Re: Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI
#782It feels like Musk is single-handedly making a great case for why unlimited accumulation of wealth is a bad idea. It's pretty colorful language, but my mind immediately jumps to "financial terrorist". He's using his enormous amount of wealth and influence as a weapon to bludgeon anyone and anything in his way.
I disagree. I understand that Musk invested in OpenAI under the understanding that ChatGPT would remain open source. He has expressed dissatisfaction with the direction OpenAI has taken ChatGPT and wants to return it to its original charitable mission. He paid millions of dollars for something that OpenAI didn't deliver, so I can understand him wanting to bring the project back inline with the vision he paid for. I v…
> I understand that Musk invested in OpenAI under the understanding that ChatGPT would remain open source.
This is false, but it what he tries to portray to save face. It has been shown numerous times that he was in agreement with keeping it AI private when it was assumed he would be in control of it. And specifically for safety reasons. And the only reason OpenAI took microsoft money was because Musk pulled his already pledged and budgeted funding for the company.
Why did he pull funding? Because he insisted OpenAI was light-years behind Google (he was very wrong) and insisted the way to save it was to give him full control of the company (also wrong). They told him he was wrong so he got made and pulled his already pledged funding.
Pledging funds for a non-profit then afterwards getting upset that they won't just give you the non-profit entity is pretty absurd.
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According to this analysis from a few months back: https://www.wheresyoured.at/oai-business/ OpenAI are kind of fundamentally unsustainable as a business.
This is the modern version of 2010's "Amazon makes no money in retail"
Amazon weren't making money because they were expanding rapidly and had a lot of capex.
OpenAI don't make money because they're losing money on inference. If you remove their capex - training costs, which you can't because they have to remain competitive, they'd still be losing money.
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#784Re: Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI
#785It feels like Musk is single-handedly making a great case for why unlimited accumulation of wealth is a bad idea. It's pretty colorful language, but my mind immediately jumps to "financial terrorist". He's using his enormous amount of wealth and influence as a weapon to bludgeon anyone and anything in his way.
How much of it is tied up to a criminally overvalued Tesla stock though? Sure, Tesla could go to zero and he'd still be a fabulously wealthy man, but with how things are moving - It wouldn't surprise me that he's about the fall down the ranks. Let's see how much power he has once the "richest man in the world" aura fades away.
Still plenty - just look at your Zuckerbergs, Andressens, Horrowitzes, Soros, Gates, etc
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wow I had no idea the level of discourse on that x website was so low, has it always been like this?
I stopped going to Twitter often, but since Elon's tweets always appear in my notifications, they frequently are one or two words. Yes I know I can mute. But the settings can get reset and this has happened several times.
You forgot one of the best options: ignoring social media altogether.
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Could you add more context? I’m unfamiliar with Grok. Is Elon being a hypocrite?
Grok has absolutely no safety mecanism in place, you can use it for anything it will not block a query, all under the pretext of "free speech". And it's not open source either
Safetyism is bad, but grok definitely has safeguards and will block certain queries.
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I’m pretty sure this was a financial take. Musk and his companies didn’t become immune to criticism when he started meddling in US politics. And by any measure, Tesla stock is crazy overvalued.
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You’re grasping at straws and then try to hide behind the rulebook.
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In case anybody wants it. I can do a more detailed writeup about hacking into my Tesla, but I'm not particularly interested in that. In short, I bought an Tesla instrument cluster on eBay and dumped the NAND chips from it. They use plenty of GPL software there, including the Linux kernel itself.
Ok, you seem to be implying that just the use of GPL software necessitates the open sourcing of anything you build on it or with it. If that were the case, then all of AWS would be open sourced and all of the server backends built on Ubuntu clusters would have to be open sourced. As far as I understand, its only "derivative" works that must be open sourced. Not merely building a software program or hardware device on…
You'd need to post Linux kernel source, though.
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#790The comments here are disturbingly similar to reddit. Is HN broken or what?
HN has been reduced to reddit over the previous few years, sorry to say. Yes, it is broken. Some cool hobbyist projects get some attention here and there but a cultural tumor has metastasized among its audience.