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Post by wk_end »

ok_dad wrote: post #772
derektank wrote: post #440

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Sure creative people will always create but the scope of that creativity will be limited if we do away with intellectual property. Steve Spielberg would probably always have created movies, but he wouldn't have been able to make Jurassic Park, Saving Private Ryan,or Indiana Jones without capital from the studio system, and the studio system wouldn't have provided him with that capital of they couldn't extract economi…

Do we need to always have big-budget films and productions? Perhaps we should live smaller, and enjoy local art and low-budget films. Do I really care that Jurassic Park was made? I could read the book and it's more detailed and imaginative anyways, and any lessons to be learned are definitely better when read than when watching a blockbuster CGI film with more effects than message.

"Let's create a world where all TV and movies have the production values of Public Access" is a poor pitch. Even if you don't mind that, you have to understand that, politically, it's a non-starter.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by palata »

philipkglass wrote: post #745
palata wrote: post #742

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Where do you find Cory Doctorow's books for free? Because here it requires me to pay: https://craphound.com/shop/ Are you sure they are free?

He has released many of his stories and novels under Creative Commons: https://www.freesfonline.net/authors/Cory_Doctorow.html

So... because he releases parts of his work under Creative Commons means that it is okay for him to have copyright over his books?

I don't get the logic.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by wand3r »

burningion wrote: post #398
johnebgd wrote: post #340

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I rooted for Uber to smash the Taxi cartels. Let us not forget that Taxi Cartels were also insidious beasts. Taxi drivers abused their walled garden with their price gouging by taking longer routes, refusal to take a credit card, and extremely poorly maintained fleets of vehicles. I have had mostly good experiences with Uber, whereas I had experiences that mostly bordered on general condescension toward me whenever I…

This argument ignores the fact that there were other alternatives to Uber at the time, ones that didn't break the law! Believe it or not, there were multiple ride hailing apps on the iPhone, but none were as great at accumulating capital or breaking the law without recourse.

> This argument ignores the fact that there were other alternatives to Uber at the time, ones that didn't break the law!

Yes, and they owe their current existence to Uber paving the way for them.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by cute_boi »

Auracle wrote: post #473
mrweasel wrote: post #386

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Kinda terrifying that you can get away with shit if you just argue that it's not politically motivated, you did it because you really wanted a yacht.

You also get a lesser offense killing someone accidentally as opposed to a premeditated murder. There’s a difference between an intentional act, an accident, and an accident due to extreme neglect and our laws reflect that.

how is it not intentional? Union Carbide higher up ppl knew there was safety issue, but because of profit they didn't give a damn.

The lesson here is do criminal activities through company, so that there are chances that you can escape from it.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/dec/08/bhopals-trage...

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by ctrlp »

gizmo wrote: post #37

Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. But I think there is a broader point to make here. Youtube was initially a ghost town (it started as a dating site) and it only got traction once people started uploading copyrighted TV shows to it. Google itself got big by indexing other people's data without compensation. Spotify's music library was also pirated in the…

The sooner people learn this lesson, the sooner it might change.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by cute_boi »

callc wrote: post #715
peterbonney wrote: post #574

The more I learn about how AI companies trained their models, the more obvious it is that the rest of us are just suckers. We're out here assuming that laws matter, that we should never misrepresent or hide what we're doing for our work, that we should honor our own terms of use and the terms of use of other sites/products, that if we register for a website or piece of content we should always use our work email addr…

This sort of mindset is devoid of morals and honor. Don’t fall into the this mindset trap. Like when Trump said he is “smart” for evading taxes during the presidential debates (IIRC the first ones, not recent ones). It’s absolutely despicable. Have a moral compass. Treat people fairly. Be nice. Let’s be better than toddlers who haven’t learned yet that hitting is bad, and you shouldn’t do it even if mommy and daddy a…

I feel like morality is decreasing. And, I feel like with all these rising issue eg. climate change it will decrease and bite most of us.

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Post by callc »

ok_dad wrote: post #778
callc wrote: post #715

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This sort of mindset is devoid of morals and honor. Don’t fall into the this mindset trap. Like when Trump said he is “smart” for evading taxes during the presidential debates (IIRC the first ones, not recent ones). It’s absolutely despicable. Have a moral compass. Treat people fairly. Be nice. Let’s be better than toddlers who haven’t learned yet that hitting is bad, and you shouldn’t do it even if mommy and daddy a…

I agree with you and will die to defend that position, but what existential reasons do we have to behave well? In reality, it seems like humans are just a bunch of animals, and the only important thing is survival. My wife, just today, told me that she was very upset that I refused to interview and take jobs for things like building weapons, the panopticon, or advertising (two of those are the same thing), which I re…

> what existential reasons do we have to behave well?

Fundamentally we’re built for small group survival, so playing nice and sharing resources increases your odds for survival. That’s why we care about others, in an evolutionary perspective.

> In reality, it seems like humans are just a bunch of animals, and the only important thing is survival.

At the end of the day, yes we’re animals. But we also have built hugely complex societies and think about philosophy etc.

Throwing away all morality and just doing whatever you can get away with is like being an animal. It strips out humanity.

And personally I’d urge you to find some places you’d want to interview for that align with your morals. If your wife, or anyone, asks you to compromise your morals then try bringing home the consequences to something they care about.

For example, won’t build weapons? Ask “Would you be ok if I worked for X, and my work resulted in the deaths of children?”

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Post by [deleted] »

empath75 wrote: post #704
clueless wrote: post #589

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Right, all this talk about getting rid of copyright and no one is talking about what should replace it? how would we we incentives people to write good books? to pour 1000s of hours of their time to produce new knowledge?

As we all know, not a single book or work of art was produced before the creation of copyright.

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Post by nostrademons »

gizmo wrote: post #37

Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. But I think there is a broader point to make here. Youtube was initially a ghost town (it started as a dating site) and it only got traction once people started uploading copyrighted TV shows to it. Google itself got big by indexing other people's data without compensation. Spotify's music library was also pirated in the…

A bigger lesson might be "don't get caught until you're big enough to destroy the people suing you."

Napster got shut down for widespread enabling of copyright infringement. So did numerous other filesharing startups, including Travis Kalanick's first startup, Scour. Lots of small startups get put out of business all the time for being sued and not having the money to defend themselves.

Likewise, individuals like Donald Trump or Elon Musk get away with all sorts of illegal shit, because they are big enough to shut down the court systems prosecuting them.

Google's genius was in staying under the radar and aligning their incentives with everyone that might dislike them, until they were big enough that they could simply crush anyone that might dislike them.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by gosub100 »

kshri24 wrote: post #671
gosub100 wrote: post #581

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if Indians are so free from colonialism, why are their parents forcing them to choose between medicine or tech, simply so they can get a job on the antipode of where they are born??

Because the wealth was transferred from India to the "antipode" through Colonization. GDP reduced from 25% Pre-Colonization (and 30% if you take Pre-Islamic Colonization) to merely 4% Post-India's Independence. At least Indians are not reverse-colonizing the West.

They are throwing away their own culture chasing the "wealth" though. Seems to be the same lust for money that drove the colonists.
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