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Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

#781

Post by tomrod » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 2:32 PM UTC

s_dev wrote: post #669

simonw wrote: post #306

I used o3-mini to summarize this thread so far. Here's the result: https://gist.github.com/simonw/09e5922be0cbb85894cf05e6d75ae... For 18,936 input, 2,905 output it cost 3.3612 cents. Here's the script I used to do it: https://til.simonwillison.net/llms/claude-hacker-news-themes...

Currently on the internet people skip the article and go straight to the comments. Soon people will skip the comments and go striaght to an AI summary reading neither the original article nor the comments.

As articles are increasingly published with AI, this becomes yet another example of, to coin a phrase, AI loopidity.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by arijo » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 2:36 PM UTC

brianstrimp wrote: post #777

arijo wrote: post #753

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I wasn't expecting for my comment to be red so literally but ok. We're talking about the most cost-efficient model, the competition here is on price, not on a 12% incremental performance (which would make sense for the high end model). To my knowledge deepseek is the cheaper service which is what matters on the low-end (unless the increase in performance was in such magnitude that the extra-charge would be worth the…

What does deepseek have to do with a comparison between o1-mini and o3-mini?

I'm not sure I follow - your assertion was that 12% is significative.

I personally chose for price on a low-cost model (unless the improvement is to significant that it justifies the higher price).

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by inciampati » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 2:40 PM UTC

tomrod wrote: post #781

s_dev wrote: post #669

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently on the internet people skip the article and go straight to the comments. Soon people will skip the comments and go striaght to an AI summary reading neither the original article nor the comments.

As articles are increasingly published with AI, this becomes yet another example of, to coin a phrase, AI loopidity.

This is so good! Finally the word I need to describe what I'm living. And yes I'm copy pasting articles into LLMs for summary.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by resource_waste » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 2:42 PM UTC

Further confirmation that LLMs are deep into diminishing returns.

It seemed to be true with every 'advancement' after ChatGPT4.

Layers are cool, but that isnt AI/LLMs.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by inciampati » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 2:45 PM UTC

northern-lights wrote: post #700

anonzzzies wrote: post #676

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On both HN & Reddit, I find the comments more informative and less frustrating than reading the article usually. But I guess YMMV.

10 years ago Reddit used to be a place where you would get informed opinions and less spam. 5 years ago, HN used to be a place where you would get informed opinions and less spam. Neither of them will go back to the same level of quality. Not anymore.

This has been said by every long term user of these sites. And not at the same time. It was always better in the past. It's probably partly true... yeah, quality can decrease as things get better. But it's also partly an illusion of aging in a changing world. Ten years is long enough to completely change the way we write and express ourselves.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by waynecochran » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 2:46 PM UTC

Sharlin wrote: post #696

waynecochran wrote: post #576

I just had it convert Swift code to Kotlin and was surprised at how the comment was translated. It "knew" the author of the paper and what is was doing!? That is wild. Swift: // // Double Reflection Algorithm from Table I (page 7) // in Section 4 of https://tinyurl.com/yft2674p // for i in 1 .. Kotlin: // Use the Double Reflection Algorithm (from Wang et al.) to compute subsequent frames. for (i in 1 until N) { val X…

Well, of course it knew the author. I'm sure you can ask just about any LLM who the author of the DRA is and it will answer Wang et al. without even having to google or follow the tinyurl link. And certainly it would also know that the algorithm is supposed to compute rotation minimizing frames.

Also that fact that is changed the comment this way... was not expecting that,

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by IOUnix » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 2:46 PM UTC

tomrod wrote: post #781

s_dev wrote: post #669

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently on the internet people skip the article and go straight to the comments. Soon people will skip the comments and go striaght to an AI summary reading neither the original article nor the comments.

As articles are increasingly published with AI, this becomes yet another example of, to coin a phrase, AI loopidity.

If writers are using ai to write articles, and readers are using ai to summarize the same article, what's the underlying inefficiency here? That writers should just be posting brief summaries of the articles in the first place? Or maybe they just need to be prompting ai to create a summary rather than a full article?

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by waynecochran » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 2:47 PM UTC

mattmanser wrote: post #681

waynecochran wrote: post #576

I just had it convert Swift code to Kotlin and was surprised at how the comment was translated. It "knew" the author of the paper and what is was doing!? That is wild. Swift: // // Double Reflection Algorithm from Table I (page 7) // in Section 4 of https://tinyurl.com/yft2674p // for i in 1 .. Kotlin: // Use the Double Reflection Algorithm (from Wang et al.) to compute subsequent frames. for (i in 1 until N) { val X…

Someone else has written this exact code on the internet, OpenAI stole it, and now chatgpt is regurgitating it. Just like it can regurgitate whole articles. You need to stop being wow'd by human intelligence masquerading as AI!

Unlikely. I wrote this myself. Of course it is in a private github repo.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by IanCal » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 2:48 PM UTC

galaxyLogic wrote: post #671

pockmarked19 wrote: post #260

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YC usually says “a startup is the point in your life where tricks stop working”. Sam Altman is somehow finding this out now, the hard way. Most paying customers will find out within minutes whether the models can serve their use case, a benchmark isn’t going to change that except for media manipulation (and even that doesn’t work all that well, since journalists don’t really know what they are saying and readers can…

My guess is this cheap mini-model comes out now after DeepSeek very recently shook the stock-market greatly with its cheap price and relatively good performance. .

o3 mini has been coming for a while, and iirc was "a couple of weeks" away a few weeks ago before R1 hit the news.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by IOUnix » Sat, Feb 01, 2025, 2:51 PM UTC

anonzzzies wrote: post #676

darthrupert wrote: post #672

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That would be an actual improvement. Reading the comments section usually just leads to personal energy waste.

On both HN & Reddit, I find the comments more informative and less frustrating than reading the article usually. But I guess YMMV.

Today is my first day on HN and I came here looking for the comments. I miss intelligent conversations and reasonable interactions and reddit is just a dumpster fire now (and arguably before). Even if you can find a reasonably mature sub you're still exposed to the muck raking of the front page overflowing into everywhere else.