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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by mhb »

klik99 wrote: post #537

I know a few people, one a good friend, who work in the Jimmy Carter Center in Atlanta - until health stopped him (and a bit afterwards) he was in there daily putting the work in. Despite if you agree with his views or methods I hope everyone can know he worked well into his 90s to leave the world a better place. I don’t believe any other president was as selfless as him. Rest in peace, he was a great man

Jimmy Carter's pioneering support for Hamas:

https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/2024/12/29/jimmy-carters-p...

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by foota »

swat535 wrote: post #731
foota wrote: post #633

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly disagree with most of what you've said, but I think more meta, this comment is not constructive (in so much as politics/ideology is supposed to be avoided anyway), in particular I don't think posting a rant and telling people you don't care what they have to say is good. In particular, "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."

Ironically you didn’t write a thoughtful and substantive comment whereas parent clearly expressed his opinion in detail. If you disagree with any of his points, which you clearly do, I suggest that you share them so we can have a conversation instead. I’m not even American but just making a note as an outside observer.

I didn't comment on them because one, there's a lot there, and two, they said they didn't want to have a debate.

I guess in hindsight they weren't even necessarily stating their positions on these things (although I think the way some of it is talked about is revealing).

Honestly I don't even know that I disagree that the left has moved left, but I don't think I'd express it without some major caveats, because politics feels very convoluted right now.

Generally, I think id agree that the democratic parties positions haven't shifted much and that there's a greater visibility of things I'd consider far left, but I don't know to what degree these are just shifts in visibility and how closely tied the party is to the base, vs which are actually tied to underlying changes in views.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bdangubic »

oh_my_goodness wrote: post #774
bdangubic wrote: post #720

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it is extremely short-sited to think in simple terms like this. what you should be asking yourself is WHY this happened - WHY did all these people come out to vote for Trump. We are not talking here about "MAGAs" - there are nearly not enough of them to win the election. every single state in the United States moved to the right in this election... so you should stop and think this through to figure out why would Ame…

Seems clear that (effectively) nobody is voting for fraud or rape. But I've thought about it a lot, and I'm still clueless. Something to do with lots of people getting screwed, I guess. But why ordinary folks switch their vote from a party that serves the top 20%, to a party that serves the top 0.01%, that is still mysterious to me.

USA is a two-party system so come Presidential election time one gets to choose between two options. There are effectively two ways you can choose between two options:

A. you are voting FOR one of the options.

B. you are voting AGAINST the other option - hence by default you must choose the other

there is a significant number of people that are in the B. bucket (in my personal circle 9 out of 20 people fall in B. bucket, 8 of which NEVER voted for a Republican in any election prior to this one) and democratic party needs to think looooong and hard about that before midterms and especially next Presidential election

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

mhb wrote: post #781
klik99 wrote: post #537

I know a few people, one a good friend, who work in the Jimmy Carter Center in Atlanta - until health stopped him (and a bit afterwards) he was in there daily putting the work in. Despite if you agree with his views or methods I hope everyone can know he worked well into his 90s to leave the world a better place. I don’t believe any other president was as selfless as him. Rest in peace, he was a great man

Jimmy Carter's pioneering support for Hamas: https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/2024/12/29/jimmy-carters-p...

The link is written like a proper propaganda piece. Not like you'd expect anything else on this topic.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #761
tgma wrote: post #759

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That is just your narrative. The incident was a disasterous foreign policy and very direct and it backfired on him very quickly too (I frankly rather not further debate this on a gratitude thread out of respect for his supporters but we could go ad nauseum). You can add all the color you want to soothe your pain and paint your own hero in the story as an unmistakeable saint, meanwhile kicking every other leader down…

Wow. I didn't realize the narrative on the right had gotten this bad. Did you forget that Reagan negotiated with Terrorist during an election to keep the hostage's hostage? To literally sabotage their freedom to tank Carter? "kicking every other leader down for basic decisions they had to make for the good of their people" So, all other leaders, face difficult decisions, but Carter, he has to be held to higher standa…

It's a good point how well republican presidents get away with contra affairs and weapons of mass destruction, but democratic ones are held to a very high standard. Good to keep in mind.

To add to the flaws of the D presidents, they typically are a continuation of complex foreign policy issue, like Obamas drone strikes and keeping Guantanamo Bay going. R crimes are usually nothing but power/money grabs.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by macrocosmos »

kortilla wrote: post #680
macrocosmos wrote: post #432

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You think it's unfortunate that the majority of the population has not been bitten by a denial?

It’s unfortunate if you expect people to vote for anything disruptive to their own healthcare to fix it.

Why would you want people to vote for something that disrupts their healthcare?

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bdangubic »

roenxi wrote: post #779
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #751

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Deflation is universally considered bad, I don’t think there are many economists, if any at all, who think it’s a good thing. The problem with deflation is that everyone stops consuming in hope of better prices, like Japan, and the way they dig out of deflation is via artificially inducing inflation. It is definitely an easier problem to solve than excessive inflation, but deflation usually underlines a bigger proble…

> The problem with deflation is that everyone stops consuming in hope of better prices, like Japan... May as well say the problem with inflation is people stop consuming because things cost more, like Tuvalu. You've picked a random high performing economy and claimed that its existence shows that people buy less when prices drop (an exotic claim). It is an unusually weak argument because it contradicts basic supply-d…

100% - that is exactly it

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by [deleted] »

mhb wrote: post #781
klik99 wrote: post #537

I know a few people, one a good friend, who work in the Jimmy Carter Center in Atlanta - until health stopped him (and a bit afterwards) he was in there daily putting the work in. Despite if you agree with his views or methods I hope everyone can know he worked well into his 90s to leave the world a better place. I don’t believe any other president was as selfless as him. Rest in peace, he was a great man

Jimmy Carter's pioneering support for Hamas: https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/2024/12/29/jimmy-carters-p...

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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by mhb »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #784
mhb wrote: post #781

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jimmy Carter's pioneering support for Hamas: https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/2024/12/29/jimmy-carters-p...

The link is written like a proper propaganda piece. Not like you'd expect anything else on this topic.

It's his blog and his opinion. His opinion is based on the references he cites. What else is expected?

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bdangubic »

macrocosmos wrote: post #786
kortilla wrote: post #680

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s unfortunate if you expect people to vote for anything disruptive to their own healthcare to fix it.

Why would you want people to vote for something that disrupts their healthcare?

disruption - that’s a good thing, not a bad thing… there are hundreds of stanford grads right now working 22.5hrs/day dreaming of the ways to disrupt shit
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