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Murder is only justified when it's your business model and behind numbers and profit margins in an Excel sheet are the real people you are sentencing to a lifetime of suffering and/or death.

How far does this carry? Is the charge of the insurance company to keep you alive at all costs?

In fact as someone who pays the premiums I might feel better off when somebody else gets declined because it keeps my premiums down.

At some point declines are a protection against quackery.

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Usually I don't tend to get caught up in stories like this. But one thing has me completely fascinated, is how far off the deep end the internet went over the last few days. A murderer became a cult hero online. I saw many posts even suggesting "the snitch" should be hunted down and get what's coming to him/her. I try not to overreact to stuff online, but this took me a bit by surprise. Things really feel like a melt…

I thought it was a joke when I saw the posts on the Reddit homepage celebrating the murder and even the murderer. Partly because I thought Redditors were above that type of thing, but also because I thought it was against their TOS. It's a real reminder of how little sympathy people can have about people who they consider the enemy or the "other". I'm almost certain nearly all of the people celebrating the murder bel…

> I'm almost certain nearly all of the people celebrating the murder believe that they're good people and believe in justice too.

It's because they believe in justice that they are celebrating the murder.

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post #741

Murder is only justified when it's your business model and behind numbers and profit margins in an Excel sheet are the real people you are sentencing to a lifetime of suffering and/or death.

This statement is so far outside of the bounds of reality it's laughable. What about those people that are using United Health Care and getting the support they need? They account for nothing?

Ahaha, yeah, right? It's just ridiculous. What a laughable debate, this whole insurance thing is. It's just the free market working to optimize outcomes.

By the way, can you help me understand what a 'pre-existing condition' is? Literally nobody outside of America has experience with this term.

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He gave the Unabomber’s manifesto four stars on Goodreads, and described Unabomber as a "political revolutionary". Excerpts from his review: "It’s easy to quickly and thoughtless write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic, in order to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies. But it’s simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society turned out." "He was a v…

My takeaway from this is that what would have saved this man is a proper liberal arts degree. I can't deny that there are reasons for engineering degrees being as focused as they are, but he clearly didn't get the chance to work out his philosophical ideas in an appropriately challenging environment.

Or, it's good he didn't get a proper liberal arts degree, so he wasn't saddled with mealy-mouth excuses for why things are the way they are.

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Murder is only justified when it's your business model and behind numbers and profit margins in an Excel sheet are the real people you are sentencing to a lifetime of suffering and/or death.

Refusing to pay for medical care is hardly murder. It’s a standard monetary dispute, and we have a due process for these. If you think that so many claims are being unreasonably denied, why not start a company offering bridge loans, and funding legal challenges? Maybe the courts are too inefficient to handle these disputes, but that’s an argument for reforming the courts, not for shooting executives.

> Refusing to pay for medical care is hardly murder. It’s a standard monetary dispute, and we have a due process for these.

> Maybe the courts are too inefficient to handle these disputes, but that’s an argument for reforming the courts, not for shooting executives.

You do realize that these companies lobby to make sure that it stays inefficient, right?

In the cases where they don't use the court system, they use arbitration, which is usually tilted in the favor of insurance companies.

If you want a fair shake at getting the benefits you paid for, you have to go through the courts. Given the nature of the subject of the lawsuit, there's a real chance that you'll be dead or bankrupt before you get your day in court. That's not a system that works. And when there are systems that don't work, there are on occasion people who will go outside the system to make their own. There is no scenario in which vigilantism is completely eliminated when you have people making massive sums of money off of refusing to do business in good faith.

More people need to read the cautionary tale of Ken Rex McElroy and the town of Skidmore, MO.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Murder is only justified when it's your business model and behind numbers and profit margins in an Excel sheet are the real people you are sentencing to a lifetime of suffering and/or death.

How far does this carry? Is the charge of the insurance company to keep you alive at all costs?

UHC has a profit margin of 6%.

If the company was PERFECTLY run, you're still going to have tons of people getting denied claims. That's what happens with the law of big numbers.

And guess what. You're never going to have a perfectly run company.

If you take the CEOs salary and distribute it to healthcare patients, $50M worth of healthcare is not going to even minutely move the needle.

UHC revenue is $100B PER QUARTER. The CEO's pay is not even a rounding error on a rounding error.

Was the CEO a perfect, honorable guy? No.

Is taking his salary and spending it on patients going to do anything? In the large picture, also, no.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it was a joke when I saw the posts on the Reddit homepage celebrating the murder and even the murderer. Partly because I thought Redditors were above that type of thing, but also because I thought it was against their TOS. It's a real reminder of how little sympathy people can have about people who they consider the enemy or the "other". I'm almost certain nearly all of the people celebrating the murder bel…

> I'm almost certain nearly all of the people celebrating the murder believe that they're good people and believe in justice too. It's because they believe in justice that they are celebrating the murder.

For some definition of justice. Maybe not the same definition the rest of us are using, though.

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post #730

Murder is only justified when it's your business model and behind numbers and profit margins in an Excel sheet are the real people you are sentencing to a lifetime of suffering and/or death.

Only the CEO or everyone that works there?

Responsibility for the actions of a company should be somewhat proportional to the amount of profit derived from said activities.
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