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Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by troll_v_bridge »

shadowmanif wrote: post #620
kilroy123 wrote: post #14

I do wonder what effect this will have on furthering the divide between the "rich West" and the rest of the world. If everyone in the West has powerful AI and Agents to automate everything. Simply because we can afford it, but the rest of the world doesn't have access to it. What will that mean for everyone left behind?

Kai-Fu Lee's AI Superpowers is more relevant than ever. The rich west will be in the lead for awhile and then get tiktok-ed. The lead is just not really worth that much in the long run. There is probably an advantage gained at some point in all this of being a developing country too that doesn't need to bother automating all these middle management and bullshit jobs they don't have.

No US company got TikTok’d, and China doesn’t even allow US social media companies in its country.

China is notoriously middle management heavy, by definition that’s what communism is.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by veidr »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #407

I just bought a pro subscription. First impressions: The new o1-Pro model is an insanely good writer. Aside from favoring the long em-dash (—) which isn't on most keyboards, it has none of the quirks and tells of old GPT-4/4o/o1. It managed to totally fool every "AI writing detector" I ran it through. It can handle unusually long prompts. It appears to be very good at complex data analysis. I need to put it through i…

Macs have always been able to type the em dash — the key combination is ⌥⇧- (Option-Shift-hyphen). I often use them in my own writing. (Hope it doesn't make somebody think I'm phoning it in with AI!)

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by dartharva »

> unlimited access

Huh? For how many seats? Does this mean an entire organization can share one Pro account and get unlimited access to those models?

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by veidr »

Is anybody else tempted to sign up for this just for personal use? I've found ChatGPT-o1 Preview to be so helpful — which was absolutely not the case for me with any previous models (or Claude 3.5) — that the concept of having "unlimited" usage of o1 is pretty intriguing.

I recently used it to buy some used enterprise server gear (which I knew nothing about) and it saved me hours of googling and translating foreign-language ads etc. That conversation stretched across maybe 10 days, and it kept the context the whole time. But then I ran out of "preview" tokens and it got dumb and useless again. (Or maybe the conversation exceeded the context window, I am not really sure.)

But that single conversation used up the entire amount of o1 tokens that come with my $20/month ChatGPT Plus account. I am not sure that I have 10x that number of things for it to help me with each month, and where I live $200 is a not-insignificant amount, but... tempting.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by dartharva »

danpalmer wrote: post #515
fudged71 wrote: post #443

OpenAI is racing against two clocks: the commoditization clock (how quickly open-source alternatives catch up) and the monetization clock (their need to generate substantial revenue to justify their valuation). The ultimate success of this strategy depends on what we might call the enterprise AI adoption curve - whether large organizations will prioritize the kind of integrated, reliable, and "safe" AI solutions Open…

The problem is that OpenAI don't really have the enterprise market at all. Their APIs are closer in that many companies are using them to power features in other software, primarily Microsoft, but they're not the ones providing end user value to enterprises with APIs. As for ChatGPT, it's a consumer tool, not an enterprise tool. It's not really integrated into an enterprises' existing toolset, it's not integrated int…

> As for ChatGPT, it's a consumer tool, not an enterprise tool. It's not really integrated into an enterprises' existing toolset, it's not integrated into their authentication, it's not integrated into their internal permissions model, the IT department can't enforce any policies on how it's used. In almost all ways it doesn't look like enterprise IT.

What according to you is the bare minimum of what it will take for it to be an enterprise tool?

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by mrgaro »

informal007 wrote: post #649
danpalmer wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that OpenAI don't really have the enterprise market at all. Their APIs are closer in that many companies are using them to power features in other software, primarily Microsoft, but they're not the ones providing end user value to enterprises with APIs. As for ChatGPT, it's a consumer tool, not an enterprise tool. It's not really integrated into an enterprises' existing toolset, it's not integrated int…

This remind me why enterprise don't integrated OpenAI product into existing toolset, trust is root reason. It's hard to provide trust to OpenAI that they won't steal data of enterprise to train next model in a market where content is the most valuable element, compared office, cloud database, etc.

OpenAi enterprise plan especially says that they do not train their models with your data. It's in the contract agreement and it's also visible on the bottom of every chatgpt prompt window.

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Post by be_erik »

dartharva wrote: post #785
danpalmer wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that OpenAI don't really have the enterprise market at all. Their APIs are closer in that many companies are using them to power features in other software, primarily Microsoft, but they're not the ones providing end user value to enterprises with APIs. As for ChatGPT, it's a consumer tool, not an enterprise tool. It's not really integrated into an enterprises' existing toolset, it's not integrated int…

> As for ChatGPT, it's a consumer tool, not an enterprise tool. It's not really integrated into an enterprises' existing toolset, it's not integrated into their authentication, it's not integrated into their internal permissions model, the IT department can't enforce any policies on how it's used. In almost all ways it doesn't look like enterprise IT. What according to you is the bare minimum of what it will take for…

SSO and enforceable privacy and IP protections would be a start. RBAC, queues, caching results, and workflow management would open a lot of doors very quickly.

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Post by shipp02 »

jasode wrote: post #113
freedomben wrote: post #30

The price feels outrageous, but I think the unsaid truth of this is that they think o1 is good enough to replace employees. For example, if it's really as good at coding as they say, I could see this being a point where some people decide that a team of 5 devs with o1 pro can do the work of 6 or 7 devs without o1 pro.

>The price feels outrageous, I haven't used ChatGPT enough to judge what a "fair price" is but $200/month seems to be in the ballpark of other "software-tools-for-highly-paid-knowledge-workers" with premium pricing: - mathematicians: Wolfram Mathematica is $154/mo - attorneys: WestLaw legal research service is ~$200/month with common options added - engineers for printed circuit boards : Altium Designer is $355/month…

This is a really interesting take. I don't think individuals pay for these subscriptions though, it's usually an organizational license.

They also come with extensive support, documentation and people have vast experience using them. They are also integrated into all other tools if the field very well. This makes them very entrenched. I am not sure OpenAI has any of those things. I also don't know what those things would entail for LLMs.

Maybe they need to add modes that are good for certain tasks or integrate with tools that their users most commonly use like email, document processors.

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Post by hypoxia »

veidr wrote: post #784

Is anybody else tempted to sign up for this just for personal use? I've found ChatGPT-o1 Preview to be so helpful — which was absolutely not the case for me with any previous models (or Claude 3.5) — that the concept of having "unlimited" usage of o1 is pretty intriguing. I recently used it to buy some used enterprise server gear (which I knew nothing about) and it saved me hours of googling and translating foreign-l…

I did, and then promptly used it for 2 hours straight. It's excellent. Going to save me so much time.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Post by submeta »

klntsky wrote: post #653
submeta wrote: post #394

I actually pay 166 Euros a month for Claude Teams. Five seats. And I only use one. For myself. Why do I pay so much? Because the normal paid version (20 USD a month) interrups the chats after a dozen questions and wants me to wait a few hours until I can use it again. But Teams plan gives me way more questions. But why do I pay that much? Because Claude in combination with the Projects feature, where I can upload two…

Are the limits applied to the org or to each individual user?

Individual users
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