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Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by kalleboo »

chrisweekly wrote: post #543
jader201 wrote: post #483

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. My 2015 MBP would like to have a word. It’s the only laptop purchase I’ve made. I still use it to this day, though not as regularly. I will likely get a new MBP one of these days.

My wife still uses my 2012 MBP 15 retina as her daily driver. The battery's terrible but everything else works fine.

I used that same model for 5 years until I finally upgraded in 2017 and totally regretted it, the upgrade was not worth it at all, I would have been just as happy with the 2012. I quickly replaced it again with the "Mea Culpa" 2019 where they added back in ports, etc, would have been just about worth the upgrade over the 2012, 7 years later, but again, not by a big margin.

The 2012 MBP 15" Retina was probably the only machine I bought where the performance actually got better over the years, as the OS got more optimized for it (the early OS revisions had very slow graphics drivers dealing with the retina display)

The M1 Pro on the other hand, that was a true upgrade. Just a completely different experience to any Apple Intel laptop.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by 1596025359 »

kcplate wrote: post #779
dmz73 wrote: post #562

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Mac OS calls home every time you execute an application. Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store, they would probably already be there if it wasn't for the pesky EU. If you send your computer/phone to Apple for repair you may get back different physical hardware. Those things very much highlight that "your" Apple hardware is not yours and that privacy on Apple hardware does…

> Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store I am totally ok with this. I have personally seen apple reject an app update and delist the app because a tiny library used within it had a recent security concerns. Forced the company to fix it.

What about all those libs and executables you likely install via brew, npm, cargo etc? Those are all applications

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by heraldgeezer »

lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

>I am thrilled to shell out thousands and thousands of dollars to purchase a machine that feels like it really belongs to me, from a company that respects my data and has aligned incentives.

Build a desktop PC, yes like a nerdy gamer. ^_^

Install Linux

Been the way for years.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by satvikpendem »

joshdavham wrote: post #620

Question to more senior Mac users: how do you usually decide when to upgrade? I bought my first Macbook pro about a year and a half ago and it's still working great.

On major remodels or with compelling features. I had an i9 MacBook Pro and then upgraded to anM1 MacBook Pro because it was a major leap forward. However, I will wait until the MacBook Pro is redesigned yet again (maybe thinner and lighter as I travel a lot and carry-on weight is limited), apparently in 2026 or so with OLED and other features, rumors say.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by spacedcowboy »

1596025359 wrote: post #782
kcplate wrote: post #779

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store I am totally ok with this. I have personally seen apple reject an app update and delist the app because a tiny library used within it had a recent security concerns. Forced the company to fix it.

What about all those libs and executables you likely install via brew, npm, cargo etc? Those are all applications

And, despite being an avid homebrew user, I've never had a problem there.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by asp_hornet »

nkmskdmfodf wrote: post #758
lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

> I am thrilled to shell out thousands and thousands of dollars to purchase a machine that feels like it really belongs to me, from a company that respects my data and has aligned incentives. You either have have very low standards or very low understanding if you think a completely closed OS on top of completely closed hardware somehow means it 'really belongs' to you, or that your data/privacy is actually being res…

Whats the alternative? Linux? Maybe OP likes that their OS doesnt crash when they close their laptop lid.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by satvikpendem »

mrcwinn wrote: post #297

Question without judgement: why would I want to run LLM locally? Say I'm building a SaaS app and connecting to Anthropic using the `ai` package. Would I want to cut over to ollama+something for local dev?

Lack of censorship.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by spacedcowboy »

dmz73 wrote: post #562
lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

Mac OS calls home every time you execute an application. Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store, they would probably already be there if it wasn't for the pesky EU. If you send your computer/phone to Apple for repair you may get back different physical hardware. Those things very much highlight that "your" Apple hardware is not yours and that privacy on Apple hardware does…

They send a hash of the binaries/libraries, and generate a cache locally so it's not sent again. That helps stop you from running tampered-with binaries and frameworks. No user-personal data is sent.

There is no evidence at all that they are trying to ensure you can only run things from the App Store - I run a whole bunch of non-app-store binaries every single day. To make that claim is baseless and makes me de-rate the rest of what you write.

There is always a trade-off between privacy and security. This still falls well under the Google/Android/Chrome level, or indeed the Microsoft/Windows level with its targeted ads, IMHO.

Choose your poison, but this works for me.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by NightlyDev »

szundi wrote: post #542
touristtam wrote: post #488

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How do you justify this kind of recurring purchases, even with selling your old device? I don't get the behaviour or the driving decision factor past the obvious "I need the latest shiny toy" (I can't find the exact words to describe it, so apologies for the reductive description). I have either assembled my own desktop computers or purchased ex corporate Lenovo over the years with a mix of Windows (for gaming obviou…

In my country you can buy a device and write off in 2 years, VAT reimbursed, then scrap it from the books and you sell it to people without tax payed to people who otherwise would pay a pretty hefty VAT. This decreases your loss of value to like half.

I don't think tax evasion is something one should recommend people do.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by sealeck »

1596025359 wrote: post #782
kcplate wrote: post #779

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store I am totally ok with this. I have personally seen apple reject an app update and delist the app because a tiny library used within it had a recent security concerns. Forced the company to fix it.

What about all those libs and executables you likely install via brew, npm, cargo etc? Those are all applications

Sure – Apple are trying to stop people who don't know what they're doing from getting hurt. Hence the strong scrutiny on what is allowed on the App Store (whether it's reasonable to charge 30% of revenue is an entirely different question).

People who are installing things using a terminal are probably (a) slightly computer savvy and (b) therefore aware that this might not be a totally safe operation.

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