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Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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"Trust the Science"

Science is the best way we have of understanding reality, but sadly it is mediated by humans. Just because a human is a scientist, it doesn't make them infallible.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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(I keep mentioning this but no one seems to be picking up on it.) There is an algorithm that was developed in the late 80's in the context of therapy that could be used to align incentives and collectively agree on outcomes. The algorithm is a simple recursive procedure where the guide or therapist evokes the client's motivation or incentive for an initial behaviour and then for each motivation in turn until a (so-ca…

NLP and related stuff is not taken all that seriously among main stream scientists, you should probably say.

That's definitely true and there's lots of craziness around it. However, the best estimates for therapy and it's effects suggest that it's mostly a provider effect rather than anything in the theory.

Which is to say, a lot of this stuff works because you expect it to.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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> This is a bad take. This is a bad start to a post on HN. Less confrontational would be better. > Because even the craziest of crazies are actually doing the scientific method. I can name several conspiracy theories off the bat which I've heard repeated by people who have not tested the theories. The vast majority of them, at best, found a video of someone on the internet with "dr" in the username. The percent of "j…

Let go man. Science is rotten. I spent a decade doing science. You wouldn't know unless you were there (and half the people who were are so wrapped up in the holiness of science as part of their identity that they can't see the rot).

Are you sure you replied to the right post? This reply seems to have nothing to do with mine.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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And yet, it's common. And it can pay off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesca_Gino That guy has a channel on fraud. Also check out Data Colada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Colada This isn't theoretical, there's a lot of it going on.

I am more interested in how it occurs in the hard sciences. How can a scientific result accumulate a huge amount of citations without its effect not being replicated in many different contexts.

Consider how hard it is to publish a negative result, especially when it fails to reproduce "established" science.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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I was the victim of a pretty bizarre super in-your-face academic theft. Someone snooped a half-finished draft of mine off GitHub and...actually got it published in a real journal: https://forbetterscience.com/2024/05/29/who-are-you-matthew-... In spite of having a full commit log (with GitHub verified commits!!!) of both the code AND the paper, both arxiv and the journal didn't seem to care or bother at all. Anyhow,…

Huh. Sounds like the research needs to be forked to several different hosting providers, preferably ones not based in the US with its insane DCMA laws.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

#787
"Publish or perish" incentivizes publication volume, which is going to lead directly to all kinds of attempts to pad publication counts.

You get what you incentivize.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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It just depends on your definition of a model, but to me, a neural network is modeled after how a human brain works. If Apes were man-made, I would also count them as a model of a human.

What wrong with my definition of model? We know how to produce apes.

Well, apes know how to produce apes, we mostly just give them some privacy.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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I've been saying this for years and have been punished for that. Even here. I've done Biology and CS for almost 20 years now, I've worked at four of the top ten research institutions in the world. The ratio of honest to bullshit academics is alarmingly low. Most of these people should be in jail. Not only do they commit academic fraud, many of them commit other types of crimes as well. When I was a PhD student, my 4…

"Four of the top ten" research institutions is probably part of the reason for your experiences. I went to an elite private undergrad as a scholarship student and was sexually abused by the son of high powered lawyers, probably awful people themselves, who targeted scholarship students, international students, etc. because we were vulnerable with no recourse. I then went to a highly ranked but not super sexy public s…

So sorry to know you're one of the victims of these idiots.

>scholarship students, international students, etc. because we were vulnerable with no recourse

That's very accurate, this is a big target group prone to being abused.

>Bad actors are attracted to glamor and prestige because they're part of the cloaks and levers they use to escape consequences.

Yes, it could definitely be that the higher you go the more rotten it becomes, for the reasons you mentioned. The Epsteins of the world hang around those places for a reason.

Shoot me an email (check profile), I'll be very glad to get your feedback on what is being done to fight against this.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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One of the first things I learned in film school is _nothing_ in a production at that level is coincidence or serendipity. To get to the final script and storyboard, the writers would have gone through multiple drafts, and a great deal of material gets either cut, or retooled to reinforce thematic elements. To the extent that The Simpsons was a goofy cartoon, its writers’ room carried a great deal of intellectual and…

> One of the first things I learned in film school is _nothing_ in a production at that level is coincidence or serendipity. Perhaps they should have taught you to be less sure of that. So many takes in movies that ended up being the best one are where a punch accidentally did land, something is ad-libbed, a dialogue is mixed up, etc. To take an example of a very critically acclaimed show: in Breaking Bad the only re…

This is a cartoon though, significantly less adlibbing, everything has already been storyboarded and scripted out etc.

Pixar's approach to making their movies is a fascinating highly iterative process going through many story boards and internal showings using simplistic graphics before proceeding to the final stage to produce a polished product. I wonder how Simpsons do it.

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