Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

Post by sansii » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 10:06 AM UTC

mlindner wrote: post #477

vessenes wrote: post #19

Not clear right now if France thinks he was actively complicit with the four horsemen listed, or if just the act of running Telegram makes him complicit in their eyes, or something in the middle, e.g. they asked for help and Telegram turned them down. This will be an interesting case to watch -- I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort -- but generally my un…

I find it highly amusing that people on here actually think secure messaging platforms are "locally backdoored". Despite what the article says, Telegram is not even a nominally end-to-end encrypted platform. You need to jump through hoops to get end-to-end encryption on the platform.

Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 10:07 AM UTC

toofy wrote: post #732

ranndino wrote: post #551

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Telegram is not a behemoth like Facebook so doesn't have their resources to moderate everything. Even Facebook isn't particularly good at it. They mostly rely on software which often produces false positives. This arrest is completely preposterous and is just an attempt to get Durov to play ball with France's privacy destroying authorities.

lately when i see arguments like yours one thing keeps popping into my head. i’m not sure how i feel about the following yet but it’s been on my mind a bit for the past couple of years: if someone is incapable of making good faith genuine attempts to mitigate against atrocious things happening openly in the property they control, then isn’t this fairly solid evidence they’re just not capable of owning that property?…

Post by Ray20 » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 10:09 AM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #117

It’ll be interesting to see if the likes of Marlinspike, Firefox, EFF, etc., rally to support this guy. It’s really chilling to see the steps EU gobs are taking against free speech. In some ways they seem more authoritarian than even China and Russia. It’s like “free world” is becoming a farce.

Post by Ray20 » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 10:14 AM UTC

foverzar wrote: post #349

mc32 wrote: post #117

It’ll be interesting to see if the likes of Marlinspike, Firefox, EFF, etc., rally to support this guy. It’s really chilling to see the steps EU gobs are taking against free speech. In some ways they seem more authoritarian than even China and Russia. It’s like “free world” is becoming a farce.

Large geopolitical powers are all the same. It's only people who live there that are convinced they are doing better than those other guys. Yes, that includes people from Russia, China or the US believing they are the ones who are truly free, and everything else are totalitarian shitholes. Each one of them is even kind of right in their own regard.

Post by TeMPOraL » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 10:15 AM UTC

wwtrv wrote: post #617

dyauspitr wrote: post #286

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Unelected officials = experts We don’t expect our politicians to dedicate their lives to scientific research so this perspective is inherently flawed.

> Unelected officials = experts What? Not in the commission. It's a 100% politically appointed body made up of politicians, it's just not elected. Also even on the lower levels being an "expert" EU apparatchik has absolutely nothing to do with dedicated your life to science. In any case it's a deeply flawed system, minimum oversight and a lot of money to spend/waste can't ever lead anywhere good.