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Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by fragmede »

rcarmo wrote: post #762
fragmede wrote: post #760

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you keep making these claims that it's harder than it appears but have yet to back them up. I'd be more than happy to update my understanding of the capabilities of these things if you can actually show me limitations of the technology. until then, just saying SPI is harder than that, when I've written the code for a microcontroller to interface to an LCD, at the advent of Google, (so before stack overflow and ChatGP…

I work with LLMs on my day job. Check my profile and links.

Oh you're that rcarmo? So cool! so help me understand, because that's what we're all here for, curiosity, with a bit more specificity, why SPI to an a LCD controller for this as-of-yet unspecified microcontroller is harder for an LLM than it seems? I buy that it is, but you've yet to give any sort of evidence and appeal to authority is a logic fallacy.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by fragmede »

sandspar wrote: post #380
fragmede wrote: post #248

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You can usually tell that a lot of people just go off rumors they read once off Twitter or reddit or somewhere about hallucinations or doing math, against a weaker model, without every validating what they read online or updating their model of how well latest models work. Just have to learn to let it go, despite xkcd 386.

Maybe you're using a strawman.

you need to give a counterexample to claim it's a strawman.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by InDubioProRubio »

jeffhuys wrote: post #709
jononor wrote: post #545

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And unlike Stack Overflow, which is available to everyone online and has an open content license, the IP the users of the ChatGPT style services is entirely proprietary to the company. I am not interested in feeding their machine with my brainpower. On the other hand, I happily contribute to Stack Overflow, and open source software+hardware. I do not think I will integrate LLM into my engineering workflow until there…

Turn it off in the settings, then... Come on.

Every month, every update, every week, every contract change, every day - the setting is in another menu, in another castle, the setting is a princess, kiss the button, the button is now on, now off, is now dark patterned, now it isn't, deliver proof of work to set the setting, solve 1 captcha, solve 20.. come on.. its rodeo time.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by fuzztester »

fuzztester wrote: post #780
andrewflnr wrote: post #691

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I meant immediately after your reply. At the time I posted, your and acco_'s replies to layer8 both showed as "3 hours" ago. Now they both show as "13 hours ago". Really, I'm being generous in assuming they didn't reply before you. Ed: ah, since the time I wrote this comment, your respective comments are now at 14 and 13 hours. Congrats on your <1hr lead.

By god, andrewflnr. Very "nice". /s. See point 4 below. You just showed that you are inaccurate, pompous and fake, all of that, in one single comment of yours, above. How? I'll tell you: 1. inaccurate: That commenter's username (the one who started this subthread) is _acco, not acco_ as you wrote above. Check that in their comment, or here: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=_acco I was careful to check the spellin…

Actually, your inaccurateness (inaccuracy? GIYF) is even worse than I said above. My comment of a few levels above, literally uses the name _acco at least four times - I checked just now. And your comment was in reply to that. So even after reading that person's name four times in my comment, you still got its spelling wrong. Congrats. (Yeah, I can snark too, like you did to me upthread.)

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Post by rightbyte »

randomdata wrote: post #712
Rinzler89 wrote: post #672

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A good programmer isn't necessarily also good at business to run his own company. Sure, you have your John Carmaks' or Antirezs' of the industry who are 10x programmers and also successful founders but those guys are 1 in a million. But your usual 10x engineer you'll meet is the guy who knows the ins and outs of all running systems at work giving him the ability to debug and solve issues 10x quicker than the rest, kn…

> But your usual 10x engineer you'll meet is the guy who knows the ins and outs of all running systems at work giving him the ability to debug and solve issues 10x quicker than the rest You're talking about the 100x engineer now. The 10x engineer is the normal engineer you are probably accustomed to working with. When you encounter a 1x engineer, you will be shocked at how slow and unproductive they are.

You are using the deca-engineer scale.

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Post by m_fayer »

oceanplexian wrote: post #743
kybernetyk wrote: post #702

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You're right. And that's why I wonder how a developer can claim to get a 300% increase in productivity from AI results.

300% is a massive underestimate for someone who is AI native and understands how to prompt and interpret results correctly. In the past I would spend 30-40 minutes hunting around on StackOverflow to get the syntax of a difficult database query or bust out a long regular expression. With AI I can do the same in 15 seconds. We’re talking a 120x increase in productivity not a 3x improvement.

Agreed, I don’t know why people are so down on ai as a coding assistant here. I concur with everything you said, and will add that now I also have a service that will produce, on-demand, the exact documentation that I need at the exact level of abstraction, and then I can interrogate it at will. These things are huge time savers.

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Post by m_fayer »

dax_ wrote: post #607
cdelsolar wrote: post #599

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I don’t think you’ve used LLMs enough. They are revolutionary, every day. As a coder I’m several times more productive than I was before, especially when trying to learn some new library or language.

Do you perhaps have some resources on how you use AI assistants for coding (I'm assuming Github Copilot). I've been trying it for the past months, and frankly, it's barely helping me at all. 95% of the time the suggestions are just noise. Maybe as a fast typer it's less useful, I just wonder why my experience is so different than what others are saying. So maybe it's because I'm not using it right?

I rely on LLMs extensively for my work, but only a part of that is with copilots.

I have copilot suggestions bound to an easy hotkey to turn them on or off. If I’m writing code that’s entirely new to the code base, I toggle the suggestions off, they’ll be mostly useless. If I’m following a well established pattern, even if it’s a complicated one, I turn them on, they’ll be mostly good. When writing tests in c#, I reflexively give the test a good name and write a tiny bit of the setup, then copilot will usually be pretty good about the rest. I toggle it multiple times an hour, it’s about knowing when it’ll be good, and when not.

Beyond that, I get more value from interacting with the llm by chat. It’s important to have preconfigured personas, and it took me a good 500 words and some trial and error to set those up and get their interaction styles where I need them to be. There’s the “.net runtime expert” the “infrastructure and release mentor”, and on like that. As soon as I feel the least bit stuck or unsure I consult with one of them, possibly in voice mode while going for a little walk. It’s like having the right colleague always available to talk something through, and I now rarely find myself spinning my wheels, bike-shedding, or what have you.

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Post by spratzt »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #693
lumenwrites wrote: post #689

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This comment doesn't deserve the downvotes its getting, the author is right, and I'm having the same experience. LLM outputs aren't always perfect, but that doesn't stop them from being extremely helpful and massively increasing my productivity. They help me to get things done with the tech I'm familiar with much faster, get things done with tech I'm unfamiliar with that I wouldn't be able to do before, and they are…

Good luck telling a bunch of programmers that their skills are legitimately under threat. No one wants to hear that. Especially when you are living a top 10% lifestyle on the back of being good at communicating to computers. There is an old documentary of the final days of typesetters for newspapers. These were the (very skilled) people who rapidly put each individual carved steel character block into the printing fr…

The requirement for programmer’s is absolutely going to decline.

Some will undoubtably transition to broader based business consultancy services. For those unable or unwilling to do so the future is bleak.

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Post by salemh »

jajko wrote: post #676
futureshock wrote: post #554

This should really be retitled to “The AI investment bubble is losing hype.” LLMs as they exist today will slowly work their way into new products and use cases. They are an important new capability and one that will change how we do certain tasks. But as to the hype, we are in a brief pause before the election where no company wants to release anything that would hit the news cycle in a bad way and cause knee-jerk l…

Nope. I couldn't care less about some elections (I care about global consequences, but no point wasting time & energy now, when it comes it comes). Thats US theater to focus population on that freak show you guys made out of election process, rather than on actually important stuff and concrete policies or actions. What people, including me, are massively fed up is all the companies (I mean ALL) jumping on AI bandwag…

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Post by tekknik »

nuc1e0n wrote: post #705
Agentus wrote: post #677

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even if the datacenter increase was a waste because the potential of LLMs never pan out relative to the massive investment, i think the flood of gpu and compute will definitely enable whatever could benefit from it. The next better AI application will be very thankful that gpu compute is abundant.

GPUs are easily and irreparably broken by overheating, so GPU compute is something that's high maintenance. It won't stick around like a building or a bridge.

Luckily data centers have this thing called “air conditioning”…
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