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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by morvita »

hmottestad wrote: post #682
highwaylights wrote: post #603

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically, I feel like Apple might have lost me as a customer today. It won't matter to Apple, obviously, but so much of what they showed today I just felt was actively pushing me out of the ecosystem. I first bought some devices for myself, then those devices got handed off to family when I upgraded, and now we're at a point where we still use all of the devices we bought to date - but the arbitrary obsolescence ha…

From rumours of Apple buying lots of GPUs from Nvidia not that long ago I think management got a nice little scare when OpenAI released GPT-3.5 and then GPT-4. It takes several years to bring a CPU to market. Apple probably realised far too late that they needed specific features in their SOCs to handle the new AI stuff, so it wasn’t included in anything before the A17 Pro. For the M1, M2 and M3 I believe that Apple…

It worth noting that the power of the neural engine doubled between the A16 and A17 chips (17 vs 35 TOPS, according to Wikipedia), while the A15 to A16 was a much more modest increase (15.8 to 17 TOPS). So it does seem like they started prioritizing AI/ML performance with the A17 design.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by maronato »

skybrian wrote: post #542
nerdjon wrote: post #220

Said this in the other thread, but I am really bothered that image generation is a thing but also that it got as much attention as it did. I am worried about the reliability, if you are relying on it giving important information without checking the source (like a flight) than that could lead to some bad situations. That being said, the polish and actual usefulness of these features is really interesting. It may not…

Regarding image generation, it seems the Image Playground supports three styles: Animation, Illustration, or Sketch. Notice what's missing? A photorealistic style. It seems like a good move on their part. I'm not that wild about the cartoon-ification of everything with more memes and more emojis, but at least it's obviously made-up; this is oriented toward "fun" stuff. A lot of kids will like it. Adults, too. There's…

I noticed that too, but my conclusion is that they probably hand-picked every image and description in their training data so that the final model doesn’t even know what the poor taste stuff is.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by shuckles »

a_petrov wrote: post #779

What would be interesting for me is, if I can develop an app for, let's say macOS, and expose its context to Siri (with Intelligence) in an easy way. For example: Imagine a simple Amazon price tracker I have in my menu bar. I pick 5 products that I want to have their price tracked. I want that info to be exposed to Siri too. And then I can simply ask Siri a tricky question: "Hey Siri, check Amazon tracker app, and te…

In theory this is covered by the App Entities framework, though it seems like Apple only trains their on-device models to learn about entities for some standard types of apps. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appintents/app-ent...

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by singularity2001 »

TIPSIO wrote: post #127

So the future of computing really is AI agents doing everything: - siri text chat now on the lock screen - incoming a billion developer app functions/APIs - better notifications - can make network requests Why even open any other app?

  >> - incoming a billion developer app functions/APIs
That would be cool, but the App Intents API is severely crippled. Only a few hardcoded use cases are supported.

So any _real agent_ which has full access to all Apps can still blow Siri out of the water.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by bbor »

ethbr1 wrote: post #334
TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

Well tbf I’m not sure Google does project ownership… I was shocked how many seemingly important conversations ended with “well, I guess these days that functionality is owned by the community of relevant stakeholders…” (aka: owned by nobody at all). I think they’re only able to do what they’ve done through the sheer concentration of brilliant overpaid engineers, in spite of such “innovation”.

Totally agree on the AI points. Google may have incredible research, but Apple clearly is playing to their strengths here.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by signatoremo »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #396
insane_dreamer wrote: post #318

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> AKA there would be a way to choose backends. I think the percentage of iPhone users for who this would matter is very small. It's similar to how many people care about using a different browser than Safari on iOS (or Chrome on Google): in the US at least, those two browsers have ~95% market share.

> I think the percentage of iPhone users for who this would matter is very small. Oh yeah? Then why don't they permit you to choose an App Store, a browser, a messenger, a blah blah blah...

I don’t follow. If the percentage of people who care about non Apple software is low then it totally makes sense that Apple wouldn’t care about opening their platform for 3rd party software. People didn’t jump ship to Android after all. Apple allow alternate app store in Europe because of regulation, not users revolting

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by xcv123 »

password54321 wrote: post #777
xcv123 wrote: post #774

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Why would you expect that? State of the art LLMs need a GPU with hundreds of GB of RAM costing tens of thousands of dollars. Apple doesn't have magical supernatural powers. They are still bound by the laws of physics. Siri is still running on device (mostly) and is quite powerful with this new update.

"There is no way we can reduce the size of transistors" - You in the 20th century.

Apple uses TSMC for fabrication. The roadmap for TSMC and Intel are planned years in advance.

Two orders of magnitude improvement in 6 months? Not possible. Have you heard of Moore's Law? Maybe in 20 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by m463 »

cchance wrote: post #722
TreetopPlace wrote: post #522

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"AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't`' Your quote really hit me. I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI, but the thought of Microsoft or Google slurping up all my data to do remote-server AI is abhorrent. I can't see how Microsoft or Google can undo the last 10 years to fix this.

Have to agree, apple seems to put a really strong emphasis above all else on your shit is your shit and we don't want to see it.

But this is not true. that's the thing.

Apple is very intrusive. Macos phones home all the time. ios gives you zero control (all apps have internet access by default, and you cannot stop it)

Apple uses your data. you should be able to say no.

And as for your data, they do other things too, a different way. Everything goes to icloud by default. I've gotten new devices and boom, it's uploading everything to icloud.

I've seem privacy minded parents say no, but then they get their kid an iphone and all of their stuff goes to icloud.

I think apple should allow a personal you-have-all-your-data icloud.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Etheryte »

zombiwoof wrote: post #789

Apple promising in 8-12 months what others have today. Although Apple marketed it better. Google didn't have the brass balls to call it "Alphabet Intelligence" !!!

No one else is doing this stuff without sending your data off to a remote server. This is a crucial distinction, especially when it comes to personal data.
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