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Post by zelphirkalt »

tempoponet wrote: post #747
mjburgess wrote: post #725

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or it just happened to monopolise the browser at a time when the web was being invented, and has nothing to do with the features of the language. As a language for new developers is terrible: 100 different ways to do anything, most of them a muddle of paradigms that's inexplicable to anyone without 2 decades of experience, and so on. Imagine a new developer using ChatGPT to generate: python, C, go, etc. vs. generatin…

> Or it just happened to monopolise the browser at a time when the web was being invented, and has nothing to do with the features of the language But applets were doing a lot more in the 90's and Flash dominated into the 2010s. However you feel about JS today, it's difficult to say it was all "first-mover advantage".

Was Flash ever really good for anything close to normal programming?

And Java applets with their loading times and dependence on the visitor having Java installed ... nah, not really a competitor.

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Post by woopsn »

baby wrote: post #733
woopsn wrote: post #304

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I understand. I read Snow Crash. Besides the Metaverse there was also a nuclear powered dog. My point is this -- by allusion to some concept with which an inventor wishes to form an association in the consumer's mind, their products are to be thought of as something different than they are, something too grand for plain language. This doesn't serve anyone but the inventor. The "Internet with head-mounted display" is…

What is your experience with VR? Have you been to the movies in VR? Or played board games with other players? Have you done social chat applications?

Mostly games on Oculus. I haven't played online socially, just with friends IRL - one has a really sweet room all set up for VR. Also back in the 90s-00s, on the more primitive arcade systems. I haven't looked at the "metaverse" yet.

It's not like I'm against fun, and if there is more emphasis in the "metaverse" on meaningful social connection, that's good. Games and activities that get you moving around are also a very positive development. Wii was one of my favorite consoles (but was hardly immersive).

My brother is a former pilot and sprung for a full setup so he could play aviation sims. I haven't done a movie yet.

As I said I have nothing against headsets or immersive digital experiences. I do think in this day and age it's worth being more protective of the word "reality", compared to the 90s. Not just in a political sense. The core business of Facebook is advertising and data brokering. I know I might sound like a quack but they really do want to control perception of reality and for us to stare at their screen for as long as possible. Partly because there are ads there, and partly because as we do they stare back at us and take measurements. So that's why I don't accept their "Reality Lab", "The Metaverse", etc. marketing language, and to the extent they control VR it is not VR. They don't want to build the metaverse a la Snow Crash, it will be more like the social -> news feed -> analytica history, plus raking app developers.

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Post by hwbunny »

baby wrote: post #193
woopsn wrote: post #109

I know I'm fighting the overwhelming tide here, but what the hell is "mixed reality"? What is "the metaverse"? For that matter what is "artificial intelligence"? Stop trying to dazzle and just use words, if the technology is revolutionary then it will be. An automobile is not the magic carpet, a cell phone is not a soulmate, etc. Otherwise fuck it -- TV is virtual reality, getting high augmented reality, TI-84 calcul…

The Metaverse is what the Internet is if you add VR. It’s not hard to understand.

Why the forced push by big companies into this VR thing?

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Post by talldayo »

threeseed wrote: post #648
bonton89 wrote: post #334

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> So there’s no kind of existential danger to Quest here, but it remains to be seen if the hardware licensees can bring anything relevant to the table either. Why would I, as a potential hardware maker, wish to compete in a market where the existing main producer is a mega wealthy entity that is already dumping product below cost and is capable of doing so indefinitely?

Because Meta will be focused on the consumer market. Which leaves a huge opportunity for professionals and businesses.

The professional/business market, famed for being so receptive of headsets when Microsoft first introduced the technology and then when Meta made them affordable. Now that Apple has done neither, their headset is sure to find a market fit where prior efforts failed.

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Post by fsflover »

snvzz wrote: post #580
ThinkBeat wrote: post #542

As usual I get quite hopeful when I hear about a new operating system. We so absolutely need paths to move away from what we have today. I didn't even know what "mixed reality operating system" was so that made me hopeful. May include some nifty quantum processing. Alas, it is just stuff built on top of Android, which is built on top of the Linux kernel. Perhaps "Meta Horizon SDK for Android" would be a better label?…

>Alas, it is just stuff built on top of Android, which is built on top of the Linux kernel. Look into HarmonyOS, Fuchsia, LionsOS, Managarm, Haiku and Genode.

And Qubes OS.

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Post by barfingclouds »

distortedsignal wrote: post #342
bonton89 wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So there’s no kind of existential danger to Quest here, but it remains to be seen if the hardware licensees can bring anything relevant to the table either. Why would I, as a potential hardware maker, wish to compete in a market where the existing main producer is a mega wealthy entity that is already dumping product below cost and is capable of doing so indefinitely?

The low end of the market is taken - but (from an outsider perspective) the high end appears free. The people who want to buy a Honda aren't the same people who want to buy an Acura, even though it's (essentially) the same parts. Let's say that, tomorrow, Gucci or Dolce and Gabanna (or however you spell that) want to make a VR headset (why? who knows?). They don't have the tech acumen to compete with Facebook on expe…

Wouldn’t we call the Apple Vision Pro the high end?

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Post by kernal »

meiraleal wrote: post #573
ThinkBeat wrote: post #542

As usual I get quite hopeful when I hear about a new operating system. We so absolutely need paths to move away from what we have today. I didn't even know what "mixed reality operating system" was so that made me hopeful. May include some nifty quantum processing. Alas, it is just stuff built on top of Android, which is built on top of the Linux kernel. Perhaps "Meta Horizon SDK for Android" would be a better label?…

> Perhaps "Meta Horizon SDK for Android" would be a better label?` Yes, the same as Android SDK for Linux. But it became just Android.

Let's just cut to the chase and call it the HDK.

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Post by kernal »

notRobot wrote: post #6
blensor wrote: post #2

It's going to be interesting if Google/Samsung will win out or Meta/etc.

What category has Google really succeeded in since the initial era of gmail/Android/chrome? I can't think of any recent successes off the top of my head.

The most recent success:

>YouTube TV has piloted past a new milestone: The internet pay-TV service now has more than 8 million subscribers, according to the video giant. That means YouTube TV, available only in the U.S. starting at $72.99 per month, is far and away the biggest internet-streaming subscription TV service in the country.

-Feb 6, 2024

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Post by kernal »

vineyardmike wrote: post #15
blensor wrote: post #2

It's going to be interesting if Google/Samsung will win out or Meta/etc.

Zero chance Google actually supplies Samsung with a real operating system they can use. Samsung will for sure release a headset with Meta’s Horizon OS before anything from Google.

LOL. Watch I/O on May 14 for the debut of AndroidXR on the Samsung VR headset with a faster Qualcomm SoC than the one in the Quest 3.

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Post by kernal »

Grimeton wrote: post #536

Funny what they call an OS nowadays. I'd say it's another Linux distribution.

If Android was Linux then I should be able to run any GNU/Linux app, without modification or installation of additional software, on Android, right?
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