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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by gryzzly »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #764
gryzzly wrote: post #655

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I am really puzzled by you posting this and thinking it justifies bombing. Are you unable to imagine how this would look if the shoe was on the other foot? Imagine there was happening in New York - and someone posted a video “They are using Subway and maintenance tunnels to deliver supplies” - obviously infrastructure would be used! Next step: “therefore any building over a tonne is a valid military target”. Do you r…

what are you talking about? my reply was to “credible evidence of a large, undergroud Hamas facility” and I posted that, and not via israeli, but via hamas own channels. I have no idea why you replied what you did.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by GordonS »

hef19898 wrote: post #746
gryzzly wrote: post #738

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Sometimes I wished HN had an "ignore user" button. Basically everytjing in your wall of text is either wrong or so turned on its head and misunderstood it could as well be wrong. The key word you don't seem to understand is this: proportinality.

> Sometimes I wished HN had an "ignore user" button

FWIW, there is a "mute" button, but it still allows Hasbara drones to harass you, claim you're a terrorist supporter, antisemite etc - you know, the usual slander they resort to once facts are in the way. The level of denial and falsehoods coming from pro-Israeli accounts is awful, especially here, a place renowned for inspiring curiosity and research.

Today is the first day I've wished for an HN block button too :(

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by jay-barronville »

hellojesus wrote: post #767
jay-barronville wrote: post #718

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> Is there a number of civilian casualties after which Israel is not allowed to keep fighting to eradicate Hamas? Murdering over 13,000 children not only does nothing to “eradicate” Hamas, it does the opposite: It creates more Hamas-like groups. All of these women and children Israel has murdered have families, friends, etc. who miss them and will be even more determined now to avenge their deaths.

Isn't the logical extension of this supportive of complete genocide? I don't care about either side in this conflict, but I fail to see how anything short of genocide stops this. This is what I see: P: Hamas attacks civilians I: Responds by saying that this is will never happen again, and they will put their youth into urban combat to ensure it never happens again by eradicating Hamas P: Engages in urban combat via i…

The problem with your breakdown is the implication that this all started with October 7th, as if Hamas is simply a terrorist group that attacked Israel, unprovoked, for no legitimate reason. I know this is the narrative Israel wants everyone to believe, but the reality proves otherwise.

If the average American had to live for even just a full week under the conditions that Palestinians live under, they would categorically classify the Israeli government and the IDF as the terrorists. I mean, Israel literally has, as a political and military strategy, the concept of “mowing the grass” [0] [1] to periodically terrorize Palestinians and they aren’t even particularly subtle about it.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowing_the_grass

[1]: https://youtu.be/x6IhvbJ0W7g

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by reducesuffering »

GordonS wrote: post #779
reducesuffering wrote: post #623

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What happened to “believe women?” You think in a sudden 1143 person civilian homicidal attack, going door to door, no rape happened? “UN team says rape, gang rape likely occurred during Hamas attack on Israel” UN: “The mission team received clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment occurred against some women and children duri…

> What happened to “believe women?” And where are the women whom we should believe? > You think in a sudden 1143 person civilian homicidal attack, going door to door, no rape happened Firstly, the latest figure from Israel is that 695 Israeli civilians were killed, with the rest being security forces. Of those 695, many were armed settlers. Secondly, the fact you assume rape did occur, especially in the total absence…

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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by GordonS »

gryzzly wrote: post #781
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #764

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I am really puzzled by you posting this and thinking it justifies bombing. Are you unable to imagine how this would look if the shoe was on the other foot? Imagine there was happening in New York - and someone posted a video “They are using Subway and maintenance tunnels to deliver supplies” - obviously infrastructure would be used! Next step: “therefore any building over a tonne is a valid military target”. Do you r…

what are you talking about? my reply was to “credible evidence of a large, undergroud Hamas facility” and I posted that, and not via israeli, but via hamas own channels. I have no idea why you replied what you did.

You posted a video of tunnels being used for civilian smuggling.

That is not a military facility of any kind, let alone an 'evil Hamas terror facilty'. The denials are really getting ridiculous now.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by astura »

syngrog66 wrote: post #720

This is totally off-topic and inappropriate for "Hacker News" please dont let this site drift further away

There's thousands upon thousands of discussions on here about Russia, Ukraine, China, North Korea, Iran, USA/NSA, etc. Why is discussions about Israel suddenly "totally off-topic and inappropriate?"

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by GordonS »

diordiderot wrote: post #778
GordonS wrote: post #611

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> They only controlled the border and what goes in and out of Gaza "only" is used here to diminish the suffering of the Gazan people. Israel has had Gaza under a brutal blockade, across air, land and sea. They control everything that enters or leaves, and infamously were so cruel they counted the calories entering Gaza [0] [1]. Israel even claims control of the air over Gaza, and prevents civilians from collecting ra…

Damn, I didn't know that Israeli troops also controlled Egypt.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that statement, but I guess you're somehow implying it's not US-backed Israel's fault that they prevents legitimate goods (such as crayons, seeds, fishing rods etc) from entering Gaza... because Egypt?

Whataboutism aside, it's well known that US-backed Israel is indeed largely in control of what Egypt does and does not do in regard to Gaza.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by GordonS »

hef19898 wrote: post #763
bennyz wrote: post #756

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>You what works? Identifying the purpetrators, prosecuting and convicting them. If you want to go ultra tough, use Mossad to go after Hamas leadership. Heck, even using precision strikes at Hamas leadership in Gaza wouod be better, regardless of the related colleteral damage and casualties. Israel is not doing any of that ah, yes, it's that simple, just press the magic button that makes all Hamas disappear and all un…

Right now only one side is doing the blowing things up stuff: Israel. You know what makes, maybe, Hamas go away? Open and free election, a cease fire followed by a peace treaty followed by international recognition of Palestine as a nation with free access to the sea and everything else that entails. With a neutral, demilitarized zone between Israel and Palestine, a zone save guarded by an international force with a…

All of this seems quite reasonable to me, and I'm certain Gazans would agree to it. Certainly polls suggest the majority would support it [0].

I'd also add that there needs to be an end to apartheid in Israel. There may also be need of a deradicalisation program.

[0] https://en-social-sciences.tau.ac.il/sites/socsci-english.ta...

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by spookie »

incognos wrote: post #739
toyg wrote: post #605

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> How does one become a "former Palestinian" I guess by obtaining a different citizenship and renouncing the original one, but tbh I expect parent poster meant folks who were born in another country from Palestinian parents.

Hardly, a Palestinian has no governing authority allowing it to issue a passport or proof of citizenship. This again is controlled by Israel. So your argument does not hold water. I found the use of the term "Former Palestinian" offensive. It implies that you are no longer such. Regardless of your citizenship, your ancestry defines your ethnic group. Palestinians are an ethnic group. Those born by parents of said eth…

You aren't always defined by your ancestry. My parents had to emigrate to more human respecting lands, and they still feel they're more part of that land than the one they were born in.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by GordonS »

reducesuffering wrote: post #784
GordonS wrote: post #779

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> What happened to “believe women?” And where are the women whom we should believe? > You think in a sudden 1143 person civilian homicidal attack, going door to door, no rape happened Firstly, the latest figure from Israel is that 695 Israeli civilians were killed, with the rest being security forces. Of those 695, many were armed settlers. Secondly, the fact you assume rape did occur, especially in the total absence…

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