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Re: Injunction issued in case about social media pressure from US Government

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Post by atlantic » Thu, Jul 13, 2023, 5:59 PM UTC

giraffe_lady wrote: post #652

atlantic wrote: post #187

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Could you clarify the term "nazis"? Presumably, you don't mean a member of the German National Socialist party, which was dissolved in 1945. But if you mean "people whose views I disagree with", then perhaps you could be a little more specific.

You notice there how I was specific about "nazi policies" right? It's to avoid a discussion like this one. I don't care about party affiliation per se, I am talking about advocating specific policies and worldviews. Things like ethnonationism, eugenics, categorizing certain minorities as inherently criminal, white natalism: things that, if you could present them to a 1945-style straw nazi they'd say "yup that's us."…

> And yes, you could elide all that as "people I disagree with" if you're devoted to being particularly sloppy. Because I do disagree with them, and don't want them here? Is that not the case for you?

No. I see no value in debating with people who agree with me. Neither party will learn anything new. So I welcome disagreement, as long as there is genuine openness to debate.

Re: Injunction issued in case about social media pressure from US Government

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Post by mistermann » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 5:49 PM UTC

soundnote wrote: post #779

mistermann wrote: post #707

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It ain't easy!! It would be something like "select * from [reality]", except there are various problems like physically manifest reality is not the entirety of it, and our records of reality are often technically from the fantasy realm and the truth has been lost to time without our knowledge. In the case of allsides.com, they're only comparing ~mainstream US media outlets against each other, but there are many cultu…

That applies both ways - there's no shortage of religious-rightist cultures on the planet that'd treat many sections of the U.S. right as quite left-leaning. Even comparing to Europe, the memes that the US is to the right or left of Europe is just grossly wrong, often driven by taking one pet issue like public healthcare and using it as the base, when it's just one aspect of policy and there are others where Europe i…

Almost all humans live in a virtual reality, and cannot realize it because of the mutual effort to hide from that fact across the ages. Such is life.

Re: Injunction issued in case about social media pressure from US Government

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Post by engineer_22 » Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 1:35 AM UTC

generj wrote: post #663

engineer_22 wrote: post #199

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-> Government workers should be free to contact private organizations and speak to them freely and make requests of them. "The government would like this content taken down for public good" is not making a law, it's making a request. It's making their opinion known, and government functionaries are allowed to have professional opinions. Something like "In my professional opinion as a public health worker, this conten…

I didn’t downvote but was tempted. > I'd just as much prefer to use a social media platform that doesn't bend the knee to the government. Let the people decide for themselves what is useful information or not. We live in a representative democracy - this form of government is itself a safeguard against an ill-informed populace. Over the past decade or two with social media we have increasingly seen people are NOT goo…

Well reasoned point, I think we disagree at a temperamental level.