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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by RoyGBivCap »

sowbug wrote: post #450
pentagrama wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in doubt if is ethical journalism reveal the name and LinkedIn profile of an alleged killer, sounds like doxing to me.

Arrests sure better be public record in a free country.

Convictions*

People get arrested, their name smeared, presumed guilty, and then go to trial and it wasn't them. Lives get ruined over for crimes not committed.

IIRC, Israel doesn't publish arrests, just convictions. So it's not a new idea.

Florida's "sunshine law" mandates arrests be public record, and it's lead everyone to believe there's more crazy people in Florida than anywhere else, which just isn't true.

Sure we shouldn't have black sites where people just get nabbed and disappeared either, but "guilty until proven innocent" is just a fancy idea if your life gets ruined before the trial. Look at what happened to Rittenhouse. Kicked out of his college and then "not guilty on all counts" at trial. It's a miscarriage of justice.

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Post by mustacheemperor »

dmode wrote: post #323

Am I the only one who does NOT feel unsafe in SF at all ? I mean, I choose not to walk in TL and SOMA at night. But why would anyone feel unsafe in North Beach, Marina, Russian Hill, Richmond, Sunset, GG park, Lower Haight, Valencia etc. I have spent many nights walking in Valencia and took Uber home at 2am. Doesn't feel remotely unsafe.

I wouldn't walk alone in the TL or SOMA at night, but if you skip those neighborhoods entirely after 5pm you're going to miss some of the best bars and venues in the city!

Black Cat, Emperor Norton's, Zombie Village, Bar 888, Tempest, the EndUp...Maybe one reason the "SF is a hellhole" crowd are so negative about this town are because they shut themselves out of so many great places!

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Post by phone8675309 »

klyrs wrote: post #321
mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

Ironically, when the killer is alleged to be another tech exec known to the victim, people here still prefer to talk about "crime-ridden SF" instead.

Not surprising. You're on a forum full of techies and tech execs. It's like the people in Hollywood incredulous that #metoo movement was a thing because "they didn't know anyone like that!" until their coworkers and friends were outed.

Same here - techies shocked, _shocked_ that one of "their own" could commit a crime like this. Easier for them to talk about crime in general than lay blame at the feet on one of "their own".

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Post by anigbrowl »

pentagrama wrote: post #437
j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

I'm in doubt if is ethical journalism reveal the name and LinkedIn profile of an alleged killer, sounds like doxing to me.

It's hard to believe that you're not aware the name is published by the police following an arrest, which was almost certainly the subject of a warrant application.

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Post by HideousKojima »

whateveracct wrote: post #635
zenkat wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that says more about Hacker News than SF. There's a level of hate for the city here that I don't understand. Feels a bit like a vendetta sometimes.

I wonder how many of the negative comments are by people who are actually living or have actually lived in SF? And not, say, down in SV. I wonder the same about Seattle. How many commenters are speaking from Redmond or Kirkland or Bellevue etc instead of the city?

I lived in Seattle proper for over two years (2012-2015) and it absolutely was awful, at least in many parts of the city. Anywhere near Pioneer Square, for example.

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Post by kyleashipley »

areoform wrote: post #779
mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

In the future, it may be helpful to remember that murder and violence — especially sexual violence — are oddly intimate things, In 2011, in incidents of murder for which the relationships of murder victims and offenders were known, 54.3 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.); 24.8 percent of victims were slain by family members. The relationship of murder victims an…

Nit, but I think that 24.8% is a subset of the 54.3%, not additive - i.e. “family members” are included in the category of “people you know.”

(Confirmed with the pie chart in your first link.)

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Post by throwntoday »

tedivm wrote: post #731
misssocrates wrote: post #718

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What percentage are entrepreneurs and what percentage are people with mental health problems and or drug addiction?

Funny how questions like this were completely ignored in the previous conversation where people were shitting on the homeless, but suddenly are important now that the homeless aren't the target anymore.

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Post by areoform »

kyleashipley wrote: post #787
areoform wrote: post #779

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the future, it may be helpful to remember that murder and violence — especially sexual violence — are oddly intimate things, In 2011, in incidents of murder for which the relationships of murder victims and offenders were known, 54.3 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.); 24.8 percent of victims were slain by family members. The relationship of murder victims an…

Nit, but I think that 24.8% is a subset of the 54.3%, not additive - i.e. “family members” are included in the category of “people you know.” (Confirmed with the pie chart in your first link.)

Great nit! I'll update it to the actual state i.e. only 11.7% of people are killed by strangers. 88.3% knew their killers in some capacity.

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Post by dbg31415 »

It did strike me as really odd a 43 year-old man would be out walking around at 2:30 AM...

It'll be interesting when more details come out.

All the "SF is going downhill!" stuff that came out... seems pretty irrelevant given this wasn't a random act of violence.

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