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Yeah, Musk's definition of supporting free speech wasn't much to speak of... better than the old guard, but really weird in ways too. For me, short of threats or calls for violence I'm pretty open to whatever... As long as you're able to as an individual block/filter. Though the NSFW content on Twitter can be pretty bad and wouldn't mind being able to selectively filter that as a user too.

I don’t think it is better than “the old guard” at all. I would agree with this piece (which contains examples to make the point), that all he’s done is boost ideas he likes hearing and suppress ones he doesn’t in nakedly partisan fashion: https://apple.news/ANuPT612pRca2DdolgCyu1g And it does neatly summarize what I meant about the term “free speech” being abused: “ For them, free speech is when they can say what th…

I'm guessing you also don't participate in more conservative circles either... The before and after is a stark contrast to say the least. I don't always agree with conservatives, but do follow a lot of anti establishment libertarians and conservatives.

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He was certainly fine making accusations in public about this person. When he found out he was given misinformation why didn't he name the person and fire them? Why did he air it out in public in the first place? The whole saga is criminally ignorant and Musk is to blame.

When people make mistakes under him, he never names them and instead takes ownership of their mistakes. Naming and firing them would be in fact a bad sign and a sign of a bad leader.

The public accusations against this person’s character? Are any other CEOs lambasting former employees online?

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Some of us like sticking up for people of similar temperament to us. I'd stick up for the average person that gutted a company he bought and kept it running just like I would Musk. I like Musk because he doesn't appear to be a woke tool. Is he a tool of a different kind? Probably. But I don't like woke, so I stick up for the non-woke. Is he perfect? No. None of us are.

What does woke mean? Elon seems like he’s always talking about woke stuff. Like trans people and pronouns. He might be denouncing those topics but he still seems to cover them a lot.

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> Twitter has ample restrictions on harassing people. Twitter has never had adequate restrictions on harassment. The were approaching it asymptotically for a while, but that's now in retreat. > You are talking about censoring views, not harassment/insults. Yes, I am also talking about censoring views. For example, views like, "the [ethnic group] must be exterminated to ensure white survival" do not belong on Twitter.…

> "the [ethnic group] must be exterminated to ensure white survival" Nice example of speech that is currently not allowed on Twitter. > [1] https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/pyramid-of ... An insane slippery slope, from "Non-inclusive Language" straight to genocide! This is laughable... > they're comfortable white men What a weird thing to say. You're not like the other comfortable white men, that's w…

> Nice example of speech that is currently not allowed on Twitter.

It is an example of speech that free-speech absolutism would permit. And example of the sort of view that I would not permit on a platform I am running. And yes, Twitter and most platforms ban it for good reason.

> An insane slippery slope, from "Non-inclusive Language" straight to genocide! This is laughable...

A great example of the way free-speech absolutists don't engage with the consequences of their views. Which is why I'm done here.

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You are not a victim in any real sense if they cut you a fat cheque first then take away the toys.

Only victims are the pension funds and sovereign funds and HNIs who fund VCs. Everyone else made money. Founders made money at every raise, employees made money with fat salaries, users “made” money with fat discounts.

They got to make more than 0.00% return for the last 10 years, their only mistake (for those that made it) was thinking the party would last forever and trees would grow all the way to the sky.

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> "the [ethnic group] must be exterminated to ensure white survival" Nice example of speech that is currently not allowed on Twitter. > [1] https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/pyramid-of ... An insane slippery slope, from "Non-inclusive Language" straight to genocide! This is laughable... > they're comfortable white men What a weird thing to say. You're not like the other comfortable white men, that's w…

> Nice example of speech that is currently not allowed on Twitter. It is an example of speech that free-speech absolutism would permit. And example of the sort of view that I would not permit on a platform I am running. And yes, Twitter and most platforms ban it for good reason. > An insane slippery slope, from "Non-inclusive Language" straight to genocide! This is laughable... A great example of the way free-speech…

> And yes, Twitter and most platforms ban it for good reason.

Thanks for pointing out that you are wrong in pretending that Twitter is governed by this "free-speech absolutism" strawman.

> A great example of the way free-speech absolutists don't engage with the consequences of their views.

Calling normal people nazis doesn't mean normal people are nazis, it just means that you have a serious problem. It might also indicate, depending on how much control you want to exert on said normal people, that you are a totalitarian.

> Which is why I'm done here.

Cool! This was always allowed. At least, on platforms with freedom of expression.

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You seem to be assuming bad faith. And then seize on anything you object to as a gotcha to disregard everything else. That's a dishonest and unproductive approach to conversation. So I'm not going to bother with you for much longer. But I'll address the point you objected to. In 2020, a whole infrastructure was created across multiple organizations to fight misinformation. Their method was to pick topics, create fact…

"You seem to be assuming bad faith. And then seize on anything you object to as a gotcha to disregard everything else." How can you take me to assume bad faith, when I quite clearly assume you in good faith meant exactly what you wrote? What about my post indicates I think you are in bad faith? This is literally the exact opposite of what bad faith means. >In 2020, a whole infrastructure was created across multiple o…

I just looked back at this thread and realized I never responded.

The reason why I say you are assuming bad faith is that you continually cherrypicked items to assert that I'm legitimizing extremists that I oppose. And therefore disregard anything that I have to say about strategies to reduce extremism.

To the contrary not only do you continue to assert that I'm "legitimizing" them, you dismiss my concerns as "boogeymen". Which is one of many ways that your complaining that I've been rude and presumptive and pejorative to you looks to me like the pot calling the kettle black.

Now to the facts. You agree with the fact that there was an infrastructure created across multiple organizations to fight misinformation. But here are key points that I think you are not considering.

First, those organizations overwhelmingly lean left. For example look at https://www.vox.com/2015/9/29/9411117/silicon-valley-politic.... They do not fit perfectly within the Democratic party, but they generally have an overwhelming preference for Democrats over Republicans.

Second, the infrastructure created to fight misinformation WAS a method of censorship. Whether it is reducing reach (eg by shadowbanning), blocking links, or deplatforming people, all of the available tools are tools of censorship. Just intended for a good purpose.

Third, its actions were not politically neutral. Obviously, if mostly left-wing people censor mostly right wing misinformation, this puts a thumb on the ideological scale. Likewise most of the mistakes will show the same bias. We more easily notice what is wrong with what we politically oppose than what we politically support.

Fourth, not all involved acted in good faith. This is clearly seen in the Twitter Files. Political activists on the left and right immediately recognized that there was a useful tool to manipulate here. Given existing ideological biases, political activists on the left were more successful in doing so. The whole Hamilton 68 debacle demonstrates how easily a left-wing disinformation narrative was able to get widely reported and had tremendous influence despite the fact that Twitter internally knew it to be disinformation.

And now we get to the most important point to me. Media like the NY Times like to think of themselves as a neutral arbiter of truth. By their own actions, they aren't. And to the extent that they have an obvious and demonstrable bias, they SHOULD be distrusted by those that they are biased against.

It is true that the main alternatives are objectively less trustworthy. But NOBODY can be trusted here. And that is a problem.

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> Chrome launched with an absurd amount of money to burn OpenAI has $100bn+ from Microsoft, and millions of paying subscribers.

$100bn+? https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/08/microsofts-complex-bet-on-op... "Microsoft’s $13 billion bet on OpenAI carries huge potential along with plenty of uncertainty"

Yeah, no idea where I got this $100bn number in my head... I guess that does sound pretty ridiculous now that I think about it!

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I will never understand people like you interpreting "this is a cause of that" as "legitimizing" that. It doesn't. I strongly oppose the riot, which is why I want people to take seriously the things that helped cause that. Similarly I'm not legitimizing gang violence when I say that the War on Drugs helps cause gang violence, I'm explaining why I oppose the War on Drugs.

It's legitimizing the notion that it's even a response to the thing you claim it is. I totally dispute that. Let's look at the things the jan 6 rioters took grievances with: Mike Pence not overturning the election, nancy pelosi's existence, the federal court system which completely rebuked Trump's stolen election narrative, ALL of the media, the LIBERAL media, media in GENERAL, twitter, twitter moderation, george sor…

> Let's look at the things the jan 6 rioters took grievances with: [...] hunter biden, the crack he smoked, his penis, [...]

His laptop.

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