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Post by labster »

OJFord wrote: post #635
srrr wrote: post #609

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The European Union Digital Markets Act, coming into effect in May 2023, explicitly forbids such behavior. (If twitter is classified as a "gatekeeper".) https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-... Example of the “don'ts” - Gatekeeper platforms may no longer: - treat services and products offered by the gatekeeper itself more favourably in ranking than similar services or products offered by third p…

Odd use of 'gatekeeper' isn't it? Even if I would call this 'gatekeeping behaviour' (I don't think it is, the way that's usually used around here at least? Not to say that it isn't 'misbehaviour') surely the thing that's objected to really is gatekeep ing by x platforms, where x is 'monopoly' or 'dominant' or something?

If Elon is the Gatekeeper, who is the Keymaster? He kinda seems like a cultist trying to summon Zuul or NYNEX or something.

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

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Post by wereallterrrist »

kyleyeats wrote: post #658
wereallterrrist wrote: post #448

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do y'all not realize or not care how utterly petty, pathetic, and out-of-touch you come across? Like, you won, your guy is in charge acting like a petty baby tyrant and you still manage to frame as "conservatives are so persecuted". Sorry you can't post Hunter's nudes on Twitter, that must be tough. I love threads like this, with people furiously voting to try and offset the sinking realization as the cognitive disso…

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All I can really say here is that I hope we can elevate beyond "left" vs "right". Elon is doing the same thing every other wannabe-populist does. Take the beacon light off of him, his riches, his flailing ego, and... sow division. Every single thing he's done for the past 4-8 weeks has been about doubling down on distractions, as he sells more TSLA, lol.

Why is the supposed "liberal tech guy" bumping fking shoulders with Ian Miles Chong on a regular basis? I mean, come on. Please, see it for what it is. Ego and populism, through and through and through. Exactly what I told my ex I was freaked out about when he floated this in March. At least Bezos had the sense to keep his hands off the Post.

We need class solidarity (, we desperately need ranked choice voting), and seeing Elon for who he is, would be a great place for us all to start.

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

I can’t for the life of me understand how people can still defend this guy.

The only possible explanation is that they hate people that Musk claims to oppose even more and that causes them a blindspot on Musk himself.

Namely Biden, Dems, Unions, Pelosi etc.

That might be, but we just came off an historic World Cup Final.

The lesson is that the leader of a social group cannot be an emotional mess. You need somebody like Bellichick or Argentina’s penalty kickers.

Trump lost 2 popular votes out of 2 that Romeny would have won, if Musk was eligible he would lose too because he is essentially Trump 2.0

The leader cannot be as vitriolic as you are if you want to win, no matter how cool it is to identify with them.

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

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Post by patch_cable »

davidgerard wrote: post #578
DonHopkins wrote: post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it make any sense to spin up your own little Mastodon server just for you and your most trusted friends, so you don't have to spend any time moderating content?

Yes, but the main problem is that Mastodon is very large and fat. Running it for more than a few people is expensive. There's also Pleroma (the Akkoma fork is recommended) and Misskey. There are people working on server software to be fully a part of Mastodon without spending $30/month. It should be possible to do this much more efficiently.

Mentioned above, but I’ve been running Akkoma on a OCI free tier ARM instance with no issues.

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

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Post by toss1 »

justapassenger wrote: post #485

TBH, I have 0 sympathy for PG. he was excusing Elon’s Twitter actions, with roughly “he lands rockets, and you don’t, so he knows what he’s doing”. He only has an issues with him when he’s personally affected? Cool.

It does not seem that PG is seeking sympathy, and it wasn't what bothered him

The post indicated that what bothered PG, was the 'last straw', was the new policy against directly "advertising"/"promoting" other social media such as Mastadon, FB, and a few others.

PG indicated that his personal webpage had his new socmedia addresses, and apparently got banned for that. Not even directly posting them.

Pretty damn far from Free Speech Absolutism.

Hell, this is not even close to being a Sec230-protected "carrier", it is straight up editorial control, which means Musk/Twitter could be solely responsible for all posted content...

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

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Post by jerrygenser »

jacquesm wrote: post #664

Paul's account is back up, but I don't think that the feeling will fade as quickly as the ban. Musk can and will do all kinds of stuff and test the waters to see what he can get away with, then backpedal when it blows up in his face. But if he could have gotten away with it he would have. So if you don't have Pauls' stature you are on thin ice.

This could have been some content moderator doing a casual override to something soft flagged, might not have been intentionally targeting pg

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

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Post by pilsetnieks »

OJFord wrote: post #635
srrr wrote: post #609

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The European Union Digital Markets Act, coming into effect in May 2023, explicitly forbids such behavior. (If twitter is classified as a "gatekeeper".) https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-... Example of the “don'ts” - Gatekeeper platforms may no longer: - treat services and products offered by the gatekeeper itself more favourably in ranking than similar services or products offered by third p…

Odd use of 'gatekeeper' isn't it? Even if I would call this 'gatekeeping behaviour' (I don't think it is, the way that's usually used around here at least? Not to say that it isn't 'misbehaviour') surely the thing that's objected to really is gatekeep ing by x platforms, where x is 'monopoly' or 'dominant' or something?

A correct use of "gatekeeper" as it always has been.

You might be more used to the more informal social media use of the word meaning busybodies that involve themselves unasked to police people's behaviors to their own arbitrary standards; this is not it.

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

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Post by themacguffinman »

jdiez17 wrote: post #547

Musk just tweeted that @paulg will be restored shortly: https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/16046164261149327... And “Going forward, there will be a vote for major policy changes. My apologies. Won’t happen again.” https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/16046168636732088... Edit: and now he’s asking if he should step down https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/16046176439731240...

@paulg's Twitter followers seem to have been wiped clean so his follower count is much lower now. Not really sure if that's part of the punishment or if that's an engineering failure.

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Post by strangeattractr »

BLanen wrote: post #473
echelon wrote: post #93

I was a pretty big Elon fan a year ago. SpaceX is/was a monumental achievement. He's gone insane. Suggesting Taiwan and Ukraine surrender, all this Twitter nonsense... I'm shorting TSLA to $50 on Monday.

> He's gone insane. He has literally always been this way. He's a moron. There is no meritocracy. He got there through dumb luck and narcissism which the media/you people interpreted as confidence. If you actually listened to him talk at any point you could hear that he really doesn't know shit about anything.

Musk is clearly an incredibly brittle narcissist even by billionaire standards, he is probably the least suited person to owning a platform like Twitter because he seems to misunderstand the trade-offs inherent in the social media business. I find the cult of sycophants that idolise Musk as the real life Tony Stark nauseating. The hero worship of people claiming he's saving free speech by making the platform more restrictive than it's ever been has been hilarious to watch.

However, there was no viable EV market prior to Musk. The US wasn't launching rockets into space before SpaceX. Those are two things that many people thought weren't possible. Pretending that life is just a series of coin flips we can't influence and that all the people who've achieved more than us are merely more fortuitous rather than more deserving is just a coping mechanism. Almost nobody would have made the investments he made given the same opportunities.

Re: Twitter suspends pg's account [fixed]

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Post by danbmil99 »

britneybitch wrote: post #18

Wow. PG did not even post any links, he pretty much just said "I have a Mastodon account." And just like that, banned. Looks like now you're not allowed to so much as mention that you use other websites on the internet besides Twitter.

Possibly of interest: : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34045737
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