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Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by jovial_cavalier »

Fiahil wrote: post #433
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #278

If you know cars are problematic, the solution isn't to produce a bicycle that has a "car-like experience". The solution is to make non-car transportation more available, more useful, cheaper, etc, and slowly make car use itself more painful. I have at least 8 vegan dishes I can make that are just amazingly delicious . A mushroom risotto, veggie tajine, chana masala, ramen, moussaka, general tso's cauliflour, cuban b…

From a French perspective, American cuisine is bland and unimpressive. Clamping down on meat is not enough, you need to also get around cooking everything in oil, and added sugar (basically, everything about your cuisine).

From an American perspective, French food is as bland and tasteless as your people.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by scriptproof »

sph wrote: post #497
froggychairs wrote: post #491

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We know red meat isn’t healthy. Most (not all) fake meats try to replicate red meat. What proof do you have them being unhealthy? Impossible for example has fairly simple list of ingredients. Better macros than burger ground. Anecdotally. My father in law has had to stop eating red meat due to health concerns. He enjoys impossible products just fine with no negative concerns in blood biomarkers or examines (several y…

> We know red meat isn’t healthy. I think you mean we have studies of dubious quality blaming red meat. And scores of people repeating the same trite arguments. It's the same people that brought to you salt causes high blood pressure and saturated fat causes atherosclerosis, pushing the low fat craze and the obesity epidemic. Sure, meat is bad, go eat hyper processed fake meat.

First we have lot of studies based on statistics. There are also simple statistics which show than vegetarian live longer then meat eaters. Then we have the five blue zone where people do not eat meat and most of them are centenarians.

But some people do not support their habits to be changed and are ready to believe anything that confort their opinions. Even if their habits destroy the planet.

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Post by wholinator2 »

sph wrote: post #613
iopq wrote: post #571

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Consuming a lot of heme iron is proven to be bad for the heart. Red meat contains heme iron in great amounts. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23708150/

Epidemiologic nutritional studies are proven to be totally useless. They literally are a questionnaire asking people what do they eat, take some health markers and drawing conclusions. I spent the morning reading through the data of that "plant-based diets reduce colorectal cancer" on the front-page of the Guardian [1], and it's yet another pile of cherry picked inconclusive crap people will keep sharing on social me…

I'm curious how one gets a 95% confidence on such a wide margin. I'm having trouble visualizing data that would give such a result. Is this just a result of a very wide distribution of data? Or is this done with shady statistics. The 95% seems to imply that there's data on either side of their chosen bounds. To my understanding, the real "beef" with the article is the choice of representing the data as "31%" when there's such a wide distribution. A more accurate statement would be that, "nearly everyone experienced some heightened risk of CHD with the actual risk varying largely, but firmly positive". Thoughts?

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Post by taylodl »

gwbas1c wrote: post #32

I married a vegan, and I eat a lot of vegetarian food. (I also still eat plenty of meat, just not every day.) One extremely frustrating aspect of plant meat is that they tried to aggressively push out traditional veggie burgers on restaurant menus. A familiar refrain I've heard in restaurants in the last few years is "we used to have a nice veggie patty, but they replaced it with the beyond/incredible/whatever patty.…

Been a vegetarian and enjoying veggie burgers for over 30 years now. The Beyond Meat patties taste too much like actual meat - that is, awful. The meat eaters don't like it because it's close, but not quite, like meat. The vegetarians don't like it because it tastes too much like meat and we have other, better tasting, options.

They've kind of hit an uncanny valley of food. As such, I say good riddance!

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Post by dwighttk »

gwbas1c wrote: post #32

I married a vegan, and I eat a lot of vegetarian food. (I also still eat plenty of meat, just not every day.) One extremely frustrating aspect of plant meat is that they tried to aggressively push out traditional veggie burgers on restaurant menus. A familiar refrain I've heard in restaurants in the last few years is "we used to have a nice veggie patty, but they replaced it with the beyond/incredible/whatever patty.…

I’m an omnivore, but I enjoyed a garden burger or two in my college cafeteria… they were fine once I stopped pretending they were hamburgers.

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Post by micromacrofoot »

UltraViolence wrote: post #716

Veganism should be outlawed. Everyone should eat meat, period. I'm wary of female vegans since I believe pregnant women should eat meat to deliver a healthy baby. When she's not pregnant she can stop eating meat for all I care.

I'm not sure if anyone's ever been frank with you, but this comment is a colossal red flag... it's not only incorrect, but quite aggressive about it.

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Post by astannard »

gwbas1c wrote: post #32

I married a vegan, and I eat a lot of vegetarian food. (I also still eat plenty of meat, just not every day.) One extremely frustrating aspect of plant meat is that they tried to aggressively push out traditional veggie burgers on restaurant menus. A familiar refrain I've heard in restaurants in the last few years is "we used to have a nice veggie patty, but they replaced it with the beyond/incredible/whatever patty.…

I've been vegetarian for 40years and prefer my food to not be like meat. I also know plenty of people that avoid if too like real meat. Not sure what market they go for. People that dont want meat but miss it I guess. The idea of the latest lab grown meat I also find disturbing

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Post by bl0rg »

arcturus17 wrote: post #475
bawolff wrote: post #293

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I gag a little at the thought of that, but objectively i guess all i can say is: to each their own.

It’s super popular in France, Spain, and other European countries. While even some meat eaters dislike it, most people love it.

I think "Impossible Tartar" or "Beyond Tartar" was referred to here, not actual beef tartar.

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Post by unethical_ban »

SoftTalker wrote: post #298
colordrops wrote: post #132

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I see you are being downvoted, but I know exactly what you mean. When I eat Impossible and especially Beyond burgers, my stomach feels slightly off. A bit of indigestion. I don't get this with typical veggie patties.

Beyond/Incredible meat is awful. There's no other description for it. This highly processed fake meat is not healthy. Just eat meat, or don't if you don't want to. There's no need for this fake garbage.

I disagree. Depending on the prep, I could have been fooled into thinking it was a real patty at Hopdoddys. Saying it is unhealthy sounds ideological. The point of making this imitation meat is to over time, get better and better until it is truly indistinguishable. It is premised on the idea that many people don't want to give up their meat foods, and that mass meat production is unethical and environmentally negative.

There is a need.

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Post by TylerE »

pintxo wrote: post #555
TylerE wrote: post #509

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Water and pesticide usage is way more problematic than land usage.

We can safely assume there is a relationship between land-use and total water and pesticide usage.

Can we? Vertical farms are starting to be a thing, and they use water way beyond what you'd expect for the area.
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