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Someone will copy your wiki's content into Fandom and Fandom will starve you voa SEO.
If that's really happening, then DCMA take-down?
Most Wikis use permissive licenses. Also, has anyone actually
Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus
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#782I mean, where are we gonna go? Microsoft Teams? Damn thing is terrible. I guess Discord can be a option.
Maybe our needs aren't terribly great, but Teams works pretty well in our enterprise. ~3000 users.
I work for 4 different companies. Each one have Teams. I can't even put the 4 accounts in the desktop app. I can do in the mobile, but not in the desktop.
I had to install containers in firefox, and open 4 tabs to be able to use the 4 accounts at the same time. And of course, because Im using firefox, I can't use the camera in video calls because microsoft allows only chromium browsers to do so.
And the linux client is bug as hell.
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Well by definition… how else would you differentiate between serious customers and tire kickers? It’s pretty obvious that a magnetic fridge pad has less features. And it was not a solved problem in the year 2000.
Honestly this is just a really poor take. There will always be egregiously priced “enterprise” software but that doesn’t mean the value is there, it’s usually because nobody knows better; the “tire-kickers” are people suckered into the platform using the exact same tactics as people who peddle drugs, that’s not defensible. Centralised notetaking/communication has been a solved problem since the BBS era, it gets reinv…
You claim it's a 'poor take' but you only repeat what you said prior with more words instead of elaborating on how so.
For example.
'Centralised notetaking/communication has been a solved problem since the BBS era'
How did BBS 'solve' this problem?
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#785Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honestly this is just a really poor take. There will always be egregiously priced “enterprise” software but that doesn’t mean the value is there, it’s usually because nobody knows better; the “tire-kickers” are people suckered into the platform using the exact same tactics as people who peddle drugs, that’s not defensible. Centralised notetaking/communication has been a solved problem since the BBS era, it gets reinv…
You claim it's a 'poor take' but you only repeat what you said prior with more words instead of elaborating on how so. For example. 'Centralised notetaking/communication has been a solved problem since the BBS era' How did BBS 'solve' this problem?
BBS's, the pre-cursors to forums had real time notice boards and messaging systems.
The only bad part of it was the fact that nobody had a BBS compatible device in their pocket, but the core functionality of a centralised message board accessible from anywhere in the planet in essentially real-time was definitely at hand.
The major difference is that things these days are quite a bit more usable and we have little devices that are many hundreds of times more powerful than those BBS clients in our pockets.
But there have been so many iterations on the same idea that it's absolutely FALLACIOUS to say that Slack has innovated in anything other than marketing, they are so far from the first and so far from the best that it's sickening that you would defend $12/mo PER USER for a family.
yeah, they're not serious enough, but it's not costing Slack $48/mo to host 4 people, it probably costs $4 (very generously, taking all costs into consideration)
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#786Earlier quoted context omitted.
You claim it's a 'poor take' but you only repeat what you said prior with more words instead of elaborating on how so. For example. 'Centralised notetaking/communication has been a solved problem since the BBS era' How did BBS 'solve' this problem?
BBS's, the pre-cursors to forums had real time notice boards and messaging systems. The only bad part of it was the fact that nobody had a BBS compatible device in their pocket, but the core functionality of a centralised message board accessible from anywhere in the planet in essentially real-time was definitely at hand. The major difference is that things these days are quite a bit more usable and we have little de…
Sure the BBS ecosystem had a mostly similar feature set if you combine everything here and there but there wasn't a single product a customer could just download that had ALL the features rolled into it.
And even if there were such a product, why do you think that the $4/month in 2022 terms wouldn't have been $40/month or more, in 2000?
To me it seems intuitively obvious, much smaller adoption rate, much more niche or wealthy customer base on average, etc., in 2000, which would have made 2000Slack a boutique product.
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#787Earlier quoted context omitted.
BBS's, the pre-cursors to forums had real time notice boards and messaging systems. The only bad part of it was the fact that nobody had a BBS compatible device in their pocket, but the core functionality of a centralised message board accessible from anywhere in the planet in essentially real-time was definitely at hand. The major difference is that things these days are quite a bit more usable and we have little de…
Sure the BBS ecosystem had a mostly similar feature set if you combine everything here and there but there wasn't a single product a customer could just download that had ALL the features rolled into it. And even if there were such a product, why do you think that the $4/month in 2022 terms wouldn't have been $40/month or more, in 2000? To me it seems intuitively obvious, much smaller adoption rate, much more niche o…
$4 in 2002 is equivalent to $6-7 with the US treasuries own inflation calculator; but I never really argued that, I argued their current cost.
Other than that it is obvious to me that you’re out of touch with reality entirely. $12 per user per month for a chat tool is a legitimately unjustifiable amount for the majority of the current slack user base.
You can argue that free is freeloading, perhaps I agree, but saying anyone not forking over €12/user is not a serious user is just insanely dismissive to the point of absurdity.
You also completely missed the point: BBSs were a one stop shop for all the features and more that slack has, IRC was the same but lacked persistence, which was bolted on, XMPP also had all the features slack had and is being sold to you as things like google talk and Facebook messenger (which is XMPP underneath!).
Slack innovates in marketing, telling people that they want this stuff. The product is not innovative and for the average/prosumer user the value simply isn’t there.
Zulip is so superior it is actually disgusting; and it’s FOSS.
Not to mention “matrix” or the multitude of fantastic walled garden chat tools.
Slack enjoys a niche because of rugpulling, bringing people in with marketing and UX and the promise that you can work with your existing client and cheaply so don’t worry about it! (IRC/XMPP gateways; generous free tier) before removing them.
That you defend this makes me believe you have a financial incentive.
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#788To me this looks like better plan. Instead of unpredictable mechanism on when the messages disappear from you history, it's now predictable and you can act according to it.
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Isn't this like replying to a thread and clicking "Also post to channel" in Slack?
No, discord threads are siloed off into their own world. They're effectively more so temporary channels (and discord itself enforces the temporary nature - they get locked after disuse). Parent poster seems to like it, but for my use case I'd rather slack threads.
I wasn’t commenting about liking discord threads. My comment was focused on how you can “inline” reply in discord, while you can’t do that in slack (though someone mentioned that you can post your reply to the main channel in slack - a feature I’ve never noticed or seen used).
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#790Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure the BBS ecosystem had a mostly similar feature set if you combine everything here and there but there wasn't a single product a customer could just download that had ALL the features rolled into it. And even if there were such a product, why do you think that the $4/month in 2022 terms wouldn't have been $40/month or more, in 2000? To me it seems intuitively obvious, much smaller adoption rate, much more niche o…
$4 in 2002 is equivalent to $6-7 with the US treasuries own inflation calculator; but I never really argued that, I argued their current cost. Other than that it is obvious to me that you’re out of touch with reality entirely. $12 per user per month for a chat tool is a legitimately unjustifiable amount for the majority of the current slack user base. You can argue that free is freeloading, perhaps I agree, but sayin…
You seem to have ignored my comment?
I'm not really sure where $4 in 2002 came from.