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Post by johnnyApplePRNG »

standeven wrote: post #422
johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #320

The situation in Canada right now in insane. Police and government officials are actually trying to convince the public that "trucks blocking streets is an act of violence". That's the most non-violent form of protest I can imagine. While at the same time they are restricting the truckers gasoline that would allow them to both keep warm in these ridiculously cold temperatures and move their trucks out of the streets.…

There have been multiple arrests for hate crimes[1], and 11 people were arrested in an Alberta blockade due to their cache of firearms and willingness to use it against the RCMP.[2] The blockades may be costing the Canadian economy $1 billion every day [3]. If these protest are peaceful and about mandates, they should be protesting at provincial legislative buildings. 1- https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/hate-crimes-ot…

>If these protest are peaceful and about mandates, they should be protesting at provincial legislative buildings.

That's literally what they're doing. Ottawa is full of legislative buildings.

I understand that a very small fraction of protesters have done violent things.

That does not make the act of blocking streets a violent one.

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Post by swader999 »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #725
swader999 wrote: post #695

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet this is exactly what was being done to these truckers prior to their actions.

Isn’t that also the US side policy? That the United States demands that Canadian truckers also be vaccinated?

Yes but I don't see how that changes anything.

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Post by nathanaldensr »

abledon wrote: post #474
tw600040 wrote: post #436

When protests were happening in India this is what Trudeau had to say: "Let me remind you, Canada will always be there to defend the rights of peaceful protesters. We believe in the process of dialogue. We’ve reached out through multiple means to the Indian authorities to highlight our concerns. This is a moment for all of us to pull together,"Justin Trudeau said. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/situation-is-…

was it only the 10% fringe farmers protesting? or the 90% majority of farmers?

Phew. For a moment there I was unsure of how to qualify a legitimate protest. I feel calmer now that abledon has defined a threshold.

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Post by dade_ »

_skel wrote: post #749
makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

It seems like these protests ought to be solvable by the police, using normal police powers, without resorting to emergency measures or doing things like freezing accounts and suspending truckers' licenses. Why not do the obvious thing: send the police in to arrest people who won't leave. Tow their trucks. That worked at the border the other day -- why wouldn't it work in Ottawa too? It's not like the Canadian police…

Watch the Toronto Police Service handle the trucker convoy/protests. No emergency powers needed. Police in Canada are generally well trained so I am baffled by what is going on in Ottawa only a few hours drive away. https://www.cp24.com/video?clipId=2376560

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Post by inter_netuser »

bregma wrote: post #667
s5p wrote: post #620

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The individuals accounts ARE already frozen. The protesters are getting jail time, $100,000 fines and their trucks confiscated. The rest of the truckers will have to obtain a proof of vaccination BEFORE they are aloowed to drive their trucks again.

They will not be forced to get vaccinated. No one has been forced to get vaccinated yet, and the provincial governments (it's not a federal jurisdiction) are unlikely to start doing so now.

Truckers aren’t forced to get vaccinated.

Ottawa residents aren’t forced to live in that city.

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Post by nathanaldensr »

bregma wrote: post #673
Banana699 wrote: post #631

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protests are only legitimate if they have more than 10% percent of the population? So, for instance, no gay pride demonstration was ever a legitimate protest? Some revolutions were carried out by less than that percentage.

Just remember, a self-selected 10% of the population imposing unwanted hardship on the remaining 90% is less of a revolution and more of a tyranny.

You're aware of the imposition of the government upon the before-they-were-protesting protesters, right?

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Post by klyrs »

hindsightbias wrote: post #748
klyrs wrote: post #658

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BLM protests happened in a completely different legal jurisdiction. Trump couldn't invoke the Emergencies Act, because that's a Canadian law.

There was talk about the Insurrection Act. Ties to the Civil War probably made them a little weak in the knees.

Okay? There was talk about a law in the US that didn't get exercised. Facts and weasel words acknowledged. So what? I really don't understand why people insist on re-litigating the BLM riots, focused on what the American government did or did not do. This is a story about protests going down in Canada, and how the Canadian government is responding to them. The only connection is the huge infusion of American money into this Canadian protest, but instead, folks are doing whataboutism donuts on BLM's lawn. It doesn't apply here. Why are people doing this.

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Post by maxdo »

Stupid vs Stupid

That's a distilled version of a western political crisis. Where parties lost ability to use rational thinking. Everyone needs to be a part of the party that very divisive.

It's very stupid from both sides. One side want to stop entire country for just one medical requirement. Just do the damn vaccine and live your life. It has nothing to do with freedom or political part.

The other side trying lost the opportunity to use omicron as a temporary chance to go back to norm and make requirements easier. Instead they let it blown to a real political, supply and economical crisis.

Why just not be a centrist? Yes, mandate make lots of sense. Right now omicron is so easy. It's doesn't block hospitals. Leave them alone. Encourage others to do the vaccine in a stimulative way, not restrictive.

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