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Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Who is doing the censoring here? It's YouTube. They have a right to remove content from their platform as they see fit, in accordance with their TOS. There is no right to post YouTube videos in the constitution. Your not being oppressed. Get over it.

As I said, rationalizations. What is also amazing is that people think that repeating the obvious in vaguely sassy fashion is somehow an argument. In any case, Youtube's "rights" as you call them would be more palatable if they did not enjoy section 230 immunity. Furthermore, I'm sure there is a legal case to be made regarding the Government employing private actors in a manner that violates the first amendment.

So you want to limit free speech then? Who gets to have free speech in your opinion?

It is sad I have to repeat myself so you can understand that private companies can do as they please.

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> To me it's terrifying that Presidential actions are now being dictated by SEO concerns, but it is interesting. Does this really surprise you? - The opposing parties leadership is censored more than every authoritarian around the world. - stories about Biden’s son is censored - bad stories about Biden are censored - every person connected to the opposing party is being “investigated” - the DOJ literally sent out a s…

I'd like to see evidence for a lot of these claims that come from reliable sources cause I don't think the majority of them are true. > - anyone who has claimed election interference on the 2020 election has been threatened with lawsuits, lost jobs, etc I feel this is an especially interesting claim because the only people i've seen get hit with law suits for this have continually defamed specific companies and not j…

"Glenn Greenwald quits The Intercept over ‘censorship’ of Hunter Biden article " https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-quits-the-inte...

"Glenn Greenwald Says CIA Duped Media About Hunter Biden Story " https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/glenn-greenwald-says...

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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As I said, rationalizations. What is also amazing is that people think that repeating the obvious in vaguely sassy fashion is somehow an argument. In any case, Youtube's "rights" as you call them would be more palatable if they did not enjoy section 230 immunity. Furthermore, I'm sure there is a legal case to be made regarding the Government employing private actors in a manner that violates the first amendment.

So you want to limit free speech then? Who gets to have free speech in your opinion? It is sad I have to repeat myself so you can understand that private companies can do as they please.

I have said no such thing, quite the opposite. If you have truly missed that then, an further discussion with you is doomed.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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So you want to limit free speech then? Who gets to have free speech in your opinion? It is sad I have to repeat myself so you can understand that private companies can do as they please.

I have said no such thing, quite the opposite. If you have truly missed that then, an further discussion with you is doomed.

Nah you got me, that was a trap

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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So now everybody has to change speech for a very very small minority?

Speech? No, that's free. We're talking about hurting people by not getting vaccinated. YouTube is a private company. Them censoring someone is not an infringement on free speech.

You’re hiding behind legality. The spirit of free speech is most definitely damaged.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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I think you'd find that Māori are doing OK. Better than Pacific Islanders. But yes, there's hard-to-reach people in every ethnicity. What I've enjoyed is the orgs who are vaccinating Māori and Pacific Islanders - always tell the community to come along even if you don't fit in either ethnicity, you'll still get a jab. I just love that. It's the way it should be! We're all people, let's look after each other.

In contrast to Whānau Waipareira which tried to exclude non-Maori by using a password to restrict access to vaccines? https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/act-leader-d...

My experience is with South Island, so primarily Ngāi Tahu and others. The one you linked is total crap, I agree.

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The reason I say reliable is not because I only want sources from one specific side or that say one specific thing. But because there are plenty of sources who are willing to say anything to please a specific party or person which is the exact reason some people are being sued into the ground.

That’s literally what you were just accused of doing. Demanding a source that supports your claim by negating his. The left controls the internet, and has for a while. Hence the right starts new sites where the left doesn’t have control.

The right seems to generally start news sites that peddle in a lot of either half truths or outright falsities. Given this can you blame me for wanting a _reliable_ source.

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Look at the effects of email and "the fediverse" versus these giant social media platforms. Which is greater?

Well, a lot of organizations use email for internal and external operations processes and I would be very skeptical about sending contracts or legal documents via facebook messenger. Through the magic of interoperability entities can set up their own servers or contract to external providers their email services.

Fair point, but it has nothing to do with the context of the article. I was referring to the ability to influence societal and individual viewpoints. I don't think email comes anywhere near that.

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Weird that YouTube doesn't want Gab's amazing content[0]. More for Gab, then! 0: https://tv.gab.com/category

That page is due for a change, for sure. We're very resource-constrained.

Hey, you don't have to explain it to me. Creating a category page with "CCP Virus" and QAnon at the top is obviously a side effect of... uh... _resource_ constraint.

OK but to drop the sarcasm, I guess it is true there is a certain resource y'all lack that other people have.

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It's not about censoring the opinions in general. Again, it's about censoring fake news on social media . Nobody wants to censor research (I know it's more complicated, because of what gets funded and what not) or publishing in peer reviewed papers. Heck, as a result of the pandemic, peer reviews got even quicker and a lot of research gets publicity when they get on pre-print servers (i.e. pre-review)! That doesn't s…

Did you ever think to yourself maybe the reason so many people are anti-(Covid)-vaxxers is not that they're brainwashed? Its that the anti-vaxx people may have a point? Many major scientific breakthroughs were made outside of the 'institution of science' and peer reviewed papers. Joseph Lister discovered antiseptic theory during routine medical practice and was mocked at first by other doctors who didn't want to swit…

You keep repeating yourself and don't respond to what I'm saying (even though I do address your arguments). I didn't talk about whether I thought anti-vaxxers were brain washed, so it's a strawman. And I've already explained in detail what's the problem with bringing up individual examples especially from the far past where some scientists were right against the majority. So I see 0 point in you coming up with more and more examples.

> Joseph Lister discovered antiseptic theory during routine medical practice and was mocked at > first by other doctors who didn't want to switch instruments between surgurys.

Just to mention an earlier, related case: there was a Hungarian guy called Ignaz Semmelweis [1] who figured out the importance of antiseptics before Lister. He had very tragic fate. He published his results then he was mocked by fellow doctors, he basically went crazy for not being able to make a change (though he may have had a condition too), put into an insane asylum, where he died after a short time at the age of 47.

He gets little credit outside of Hungary (where I'm from) because he didn't figure out the exact biological causes for the infections (he didn't connect these to bacteria) so some science historians think he was just right by accident. But that's not true. He used observations and statistics to identify that the cause of the relatively common death due to childbed fever of women after giving birth was infection by the doctors who also did autopsy. He had a wrong theory about how "cadaverous matter" would cause illness through decomposition which would make both dead bodies and doctors hand smell. And he found that chlorinated lime solution would remove the smell and thus he though the "cadaverous material" so he started using it to wash his hands and convinced colleagues in the hospital to do the same which resulted in a rapid and sharp improvements in the death statistics. (So again, while his theory was wrong, his method and results were right.)

But as I said above, science has built in these experiences and this knowledge, so science to day is built on much better foundations and better methods than in Semmelweis' or Lister's time. And it's not that just we know more because we accepted their discoveries. We know how to do science better, how to be right more often and wrong less frequently. And again: what's your alternative suggestion? Where's your proof that discussing all these "alternate opinions", which completely ignore the scientific method, on social media gives any better results (and, indeed not worse results)?

The "you need better ideas" assumption is not only unfounded it's also naive and wrong. We have experiments to show that people believe stupid things even if/when they do have access to the scientific truth. Because the former can be formulated in more attractive, easier to digest ways than the reality. (After all, they don't have to match reality so they are way more malleable.) Unfortunately it's not about having access to better information or "better" ideas. You can't have better ideas than what matches the reality (or, in other words, your best current knowledge) but considerable fraction people get attracted to ideas based on not how "good" (meaningful, accurate) they are.

> Galileo was excommunicated for going against mainstream science.

Again, you already said that and I responded to that, which you 100% ignored, but I forgot to mention that: a) Gallileo wasn't excommunicated, he was forced to retract his theories by the catholic church, not fellow scientists. b) he was actually wrong. He thought the Sun was the center of the universe, which is clearly wrong. (But of course, less wrong and way more useful than the previous ideas. But that's the point: science evolves by getting things less wrong over time.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis#Breakdown_and...

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