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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by pcmoney »

crummy wrote: post #589
pcmoney wrote: post #276

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Or more more accurately, their stated intent is to scan for anything any government deems illegal in any country where they operate. Also who is reviewing this known child pornography list? Hopefully nobody because it is Child pornography but also hopefully somebody because what if somebody slips something in there… Say a offensive political cartoon or a ethnic group symbol or a picture of Tiananmen Square. This list…

> Also it is crossing a line in the sand because it is on your personal device not in their server Seconds after they scan it the files will be on their server, right?

They are scanning files on your device. The rest is just implementation details

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by howinteresting »

JimDabell wrote: post #515
howinteresting wrote: post #292

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It is generally a good practice to steelman the opposing argument. In this case, the steelman is that Apple has turned a capability barrier (if your scanning is on the cloud, you simply cannot scan local photos) into a policy barrier (now you can scan all photos, there's just a flag in the software which means you don't do so.)

> a policy barrier (now you can scan all photos, there's just a flag in the software which means you don't do so.) This is not the case. People are guessing about how it works and getting it wrong. The device doesn’t know if there’s a match or not. The logic is not “if there’s a match, tell Apple” , the logic is “attach a safety voucher to every iCloud upload and let Apple figure it out on the server” . You can’t fli…

There is still a local CSAM database and still a method somewhere that returns a probability that an image is in the database, isn't there? The safety voucher logic is layered on top.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by sedawk »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #478
josephg wrote: post #452

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I love the openness of android, and the explicit permission to root your phone. But iphones have amazing longevity. The iphone 5s you mentioned came out in 2013 - which is 8 years ago now. Back then Obama was still in his first term. Maybe it is way too slow to handle the most recent version of iOS, but I'd rather a phone vendor that releases operating system updates for 8 years than a vendor who releases updates for…

I love the iphone. I get my wife the latest and greatest every two years, and I forget about it. If she had an Android anything, I'd be spending at least an hour per week on tech support. It's absolutely worth the inflated price for me, and the fact that it's extremely limited in possible features is a bonus. Just like I used to love stick, but now an automatic tranny is great, as my enjoyment is the destination not…

> If she had an Android anything, I'd be spending at least an hour per week on tech support First: I hope your wife doesn't read this ;-) Second: I can believe this to be true if-and-only-if you tried to run it on a language setting you can't read! Third: One gets comfortable with whatever phone+ecosystem they familiar with or use the most and that is not a basis to claim one is superior to the other. For that person, yes it might be superior(experience), but it cannot be extrapolated to the general population. In my little circle, if anything, I hear complaints and "how to get this done on my phone" requests way more from iPhone owning family members and friends than the ones with Android phones. But this doesn't just make Android a superior OS over iOS, because it is just 1 data point. While Apple does provide updates for older devices, the devices are barely usable. Foremost, you most certainly will need a battery-swap on anything older than 3 yrs (not a cheap proposition) and their devices seem to get progressively slower (in my albeit limited) experience.

Apple and Android ecosystems and user-bases are wildly different so a true apples-to-apples comparison (pun-intended!) is not trivially possible.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by sedawk »

llampx wrote: post #719
kaba0 wrote: post #663

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They throttled performance depending on battery capacity, because the alternative was that the battery could not keep up with a sudden spike, powering off completely. The problem was that they didn’t notify users, and after people in France winning a lawsuit, they now have it opt in I think? Nonetheless, it was a feature made in good faith.

The optics of that were absolutely terrible. They could have announced it in WWDC and made people aware of it. Instead they raised a shitstorm for no good reason.

Good intent or not, the management execution of it was completely botched. They could have even come out on top by projecting that they care about older devices' usability, if they had announced the feature; it was a no brainier and PR/marketing person worth their salt would tell that. Which makes me question the bit: "good intent on their part" :-|

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by ablekh »

DCKing wrote: post #726
ablekh wrote: post #560

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> underneath it runs a crusty old 2017 kernel full of holes of different sizes > LineageOS and other projects can’t fix things in kernels they can’t compile I think that you're wrong on this, that is unless you decided to use term "kernel" above too liberally, referring to all software running on a device. AFAIK, alternative Android images, such as LineageOS, include relevant - and quite up-to-date! - AOSP common ker…

No, I’m talking about the Linux kernel. You can check this for yourself. Take a look at the roms distributed on LineageOS as the example project and see if they include kernels that are up to date in any way. For older phones outside of vendor support, those kernels will always be out of date. Some diligent LineageOS projects are known to incorporate some open source kernel fixes sometimes, or grab newer blobs from o…

Good points. Though I'm a bit confused by your reply. Are you saying that LineageOS folks do not always or, at least, mostly use the latest AOSP common kernels for their relevant ROMs (as opposed to "some open source kernel fixes")?

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by ablekh »

arendtio wrote: post #695
ablekh wrote: post #637

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Obviously, not all devices have up-to-date kernels. It depends on whether they are supported by relevant Android distributions. That's why I used the phrase "quite up-to-date" instead of just "up-to-date". Unfortunately for you, LineageOS has stopped supporting i9300 Samsung Galaxy S3 with the latest official release being 14.1, which is based on Nougat (Android 7.1.2). Having said that, I ran across the following po…

Thank you for looking up that ROM, as I might want to try it out. However, you are also proving my point, even that ROM with Android 11 is still running the old 3.0.101 Linux kernel. You can see it in the video at the last row: https://youtu.be/K_i29pczfRA?t=10 So congratulations to the guy who made it possible to run Android 11 with that ancient Linux kernel, even when Android officially doesn't support it. And to i…

You're welcome and good luck!

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by ablekh »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #780
arendtio wrote: post #695

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Thank you for looking up that ROM, as I might want to try it out. However, you are also proving my point, even that ROM with Android 11 is still running the old 3.0.101 Linux kernel. You can see it in the video at the last row: https://youtu.be/K_i29pczfRA?t=10 So congratulations to the guy who made it possible to run Android 11 with that ancient Linux kernel, even when Android officially doesn't support it. And to i…

https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/kernel-7-x-i9300-hybrid.3... backported 4.2, which includes some of the 4.3 changes as well. supports lineage. 4.1 is a version google supports till 2024, so I'm assuming 4.2/4.3 is going to be even later. So, you got a phone from 2011 that's going to run a modern kernel and latest android till after 2024. > And to illustrate what I mean by ancient yes. I would love to see an iphone…

Interesting information, good to know.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by LegitShady »

astronautjones wrote: post #581
koyote wrote: post #556

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This might be a long shot, but I once thought my USB-C port was broken but it turned out that all that happened was that fluff and dust/dirt was lodged inside and the cable no longer went in all the way. The fix was to slowly scrape all the fluff out with a needle (I am sure there are better ways). This is of course assuming your issue isn't anything electronic.

don't use metal to do that! use compressed air

I've done it carefully a few times using the sim card slot tool that comes with the phone. When it gets crusted in there not sure compressed air will do it.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by beojan »

throwawaybbqed wrote: post #722
MildlySerious wrote: post #675

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Tangential, but the first thing I noticed is that this site itself greets me in my preferred language, and allows setting my region separately, at the top of the page. The Pixel site sets the language based on geography and does not allow changing it without changing the region, which comes with a warning about delivery and currency conversion. One of these makes me feel understood and accounted for as a potential cu…

I pay for a bunch of google services (Google One, YouTube premium) and for the life of me, have not been able to get my country changed. After some time with tech support (was shocked I was able to get someone), the conclusion was to use the play store ON AN ANDROID DEVICE to try to change my country. Quite strange if you use google services without an android device. It doesn't matter if I'm an edge case. They need…

I could do it in Google Pay (you create a new payments profile for your new country).
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