As someone who loves ThinkPads, I want to cry. Apple is, finally, wiping the floor with them.
MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
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#782These look positively insane . 120Hz HDR displays. Can be specced with up to 64 GB of RAM and a GPU that (apparently) matches a 3070. All the ports you could ever want and magsafe. I can't wait to get my hands on one. The notch doesn't bother me because it's literally more room on the screen. Laptops with the camera below the screen tend to have an uncomfortable angle that look sup your nose, and the design suggests…
Can the notch be "hidden" with a black toolbar?
Also: Can the mouse pointer be "hidden" (moved) under the notch?
Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
#783HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…
Is the increased thickness the reason for the much longer battery life?
It's part of it. ProMotion helps, by increasing efficiency for screen redraws. A new display architecture helps, due to more power efficiency. More thickness means room for a larger battery. And M1 helps by being vastly more power-efficient than Intel.
Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
#784HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…
I thought the 2016 MacBook Pro was an enormous improvement over the 2015 models, because 3 lbs is the sweet spot for me where I no longer had a hard time deciding between an Air or Pro model. The 14" model is 3.5 lbs like the 2015 13". Users' testimonials will probably make me happy that I waited for the second iteration of Apple silicon, but I do wish there was an option that had a combination of trade-offs like sma…
> Users' testimonials will probably make me happy that I waited for the second iteration of Apple silicon
Is there a reference? I had the first gen (air) as my personal driver and couldn't have been more happy. I thought most user were pretty happy too.
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#785Epic update. Crazy fast chips, 120hz, mini LED, more ports, 64 gigs of ram. It's literally everything you could want in a new MacBook Pro.
I wish they offer non mini-LED display option since developer don't need such quality. Apple need to break down "Pro".
Designers use MacBook pros too.
Everyone likes to have mobile workstation.
Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
#786These look positively insane . 120Hz HDR displays. Can be specced with up to 64 GB of RAM and a GPU that (apparently) matches a 3070. All the ports you could ever want and magsafe. I can't wait to get my hands on one. The notch doesn't bother me because it's literally more room on the screen. Laptops with the camera below the screen tend to have an uncomfortable angle that look sup your nose, and the design suggests…
> All the ports you could ever want I agree with everything else you said and I think overall these machines will be awesome. I would disagree with you on the ports though, I think this is kind of a miss for Apple. They caved into some of the loudest complaints from several years ago which were already coming from a loud minority and that minority is now smaller than ever. And if they were set on changing the ports t…
I strongly disagree. They didn't cave in to a minority, they gave Ive the boot and are finally putting back so many ports they know they should never have removed.
Why they shouldn't have been removed?
Because USB-C is awesome and _almost_ everywhere, but you need ONE important occasion where you need to connect a screen, plug in an SD card or even an external (pen|hard) drive, maybe in front of customers, and you get really infuriatingly frustrated, and regret buying this stupid trap which has half the ports of the one from 10 years ago, but costs 3x as much and just lost you a customer.
The old one would have worked. Who's the idiot which came up with this contraption?
Dongles are NOT the solution. They get lost or forgotten, they're messy.
Reducing to 3 USB-C ports is perfectly fine as we regain the dedicated magsafe.
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#787This is literally a dream laptop. Improved in every area and lacking in none I can think of right now. And the price is crazy cheap for this performance if you ask me.
Its not crazy cheap, a lot of people overvalue mobility when 90% of white collar work is done at home or in an office.
Cheap compared to what you get in similarly spec-ed non-Apple hardware. This will blow the pants off a similarly priced ThinkPad.
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#788Feels a return to form, finally approaching this machine from the needs of the users rather than what's compelling for the industrial design team. Every bad decision of the atrocious 2017+ era laptops reverted.
I don't know if I'm allowed to swear on here, but thank fuck for this. It literally doesn't impose on Apple to do this stuff; they can keep their 28% margin, keep things soldered if they want, but making functional laptops that aren't made to be stared at or look good in pictures is a bare minimum.
Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch
#789For me personally, they hit it out of the park -- except for the notch, which seems like a complete showstopper to me at first sight. Maybe it's not so bad in practice if games and full-screen videos keep that whole strip solid black? But almost all the screenshots are of fullscreen apps, so it seems Apple thinks it looks a bit ungainly too.
I can live with the notch, but honestly I would pay more for an option to remove it along with the camera. For me, it really depends on how this camera compares with a standard Logitech C920. If it's as good or better then I'm fine with it, but if it's just a minor upgrade over the terrible pre-existing camera then I'm not sure why they would mar an otherwise fantastic product.
Apparently the camera in last year's M1 macbook was already a huge upgrade compared to previous ones, and the new macbook pros have a higher quality 1080p sensor, and both leverage some of the special IP blocks on the chip to make the image even better, so it should almost certainly do better than the C920 (especially around audio capture as well, if you use that)
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#790Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.
Bringing back a dedicated HDMI port is a downgrade. This port can only do 4K 60Hz HDR (implying HDMI 2.0), which is inferior to previously-supported standards in addition to taking up space as a single-purpose port. The Intel MacBook Pro 16 supports DisplayPort 1.4 over USB-C, which can do 4K 98Hz HDR, and doesn't take up dedicated single-purpose ports.
Can't you still use the USB-C ports for the higher bandwidth if you want to (and have the dongle?)