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70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by frankfrankfrank »

supernovae wrote: post #773
frankfrankfrank wrote: post #767

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that it is a kind of contradiction to claim being about free-speech, but to see their point, when free=speech and they as the primary advocates for free-speech are under clear and direct and persistent and unrelenting assault of their speech and thought, I can see how they would take on practical positions to protect their community from infiltrators and subversives as they are struggling to survive under relen…

Citation Needed

Citation for what? What is it you want someone else to tell you to believe instead of using your own mental faculties and logic? Do you want a citation to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? I am sure you can find that on your own, my friend.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by rootusrootus »

vbezhenar wrote: post #759
thebigman433 wrote: post #750

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I think the difference is that r/politics doesnt actually ban you for posting something conservative, its just the users deciding they dont like it. I dont use it either way due to their horrible link rules, but there is definitely a difference in my opinion.

You're silenced by moderators or you're silenced by users. I don't see much difference in the end.

There's a huge difference. The freedom to disagree is a fundamental part of free speech. The very fact that you get a big response from the community means you are definitely being heard. They just don't agree with you. When moderators do it, nobody even sees what you are saying.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by ibrault »

stuckindider wrote: post #30

Where are the comments about how awful it is for people's private messages to be leaked? Or is this okay because the media told me these guys are the bad guys.

Everything that was "hacked" is just publicly-available information on Parler that was archived: https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348666166978424832

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by ibrault »

grawprog wrote: post #526

>In a press release announcing the decision, Twilio revealed which services Parler was using. This information allowed hackers to deduct that it was possible to create users and verified accounts without actual verification. >With this type of access, newly minted users were able to get behind the login box API used for content delivery. That allowed them to see which users had moderator rights and this in turn allow…

Curious as to how you would define this as doxxing? The information contained in this "hack" is just an archival of all publicly-posted information on Parler, it is comparable to someone archiving my LinkedIn page and calling it doxxing.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by grawprog »

ibrault wrote: post #784
grawprog wrote: post #526

>In a press release announcing the decision, Twilio revealed which services Parler was using. This information allowed hackers to deduct that it was possible to create users and verified accounts without actual verification. >With this type of access, newly minted users were able to get behind the login box API used for content delivery. That allowed them to see which users had moderator rights and this in turn allow…

Curious as to how you would define this as doxxing? The information contained in this "hack" is just an archival of all publicly-posted information on Parler, it is comparable to someone archiving my LinkedIn page and calling it doxxing.

Private messages are public?

Also, it's hard to tell from the article, but it seems like there's phone.numbers and id involved as well.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by rootusrootus »

turtle_san wrote: post #753
joshstrange wrote: post #641

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Agreed, the irony of /r/conservative complaining about censorship or their rights to free speech being restricted while making submitting posts and commenting "flaired users only" (AKA only the users who agree with us and think the same way) is completely lost on them...

There is a huge difference between a platform censoring/banning you and a community on the platform censoring/banning you. No irony involved. That subreddit is just trying to have discussion among like minded people without trolls and brigaders disrupting everything, they are a highly targeted subreddit for those acts. Reddit as a platform still exists for you and joining or making new communities is possible at the…

It's totally fine to create a closed group to talk amongst like-minded people, just don't try to make a claim that it's superior or pro-free-speech.

To the credit of the moderators of r/conservative, they don't really claim that, though some of their users try to. They're very open about their intentions. They absolutely do not welcome non-tribe members.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by MrMan »

cbozeman wrote: post #581
arbitrage wrote: post #544

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A lot of this "what about their rights" bullshit is likely a covert misinformation campaign by botters and operatives. Hate speech is not protected. Plotting and committing treason against the United States government is not protected. Say unimaginably hateful shit, see how fast it takes to get punched in the mouth. Simple as that.

> Hate speech is not protected. Yes it is. The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that hate speech is legally protected free speech under the First Amendment. The most recent Supreme Court case on the issue was in 2017, when the justices unanimously reaffirmed that there is effectively no "hate speech" exception to the free speech rights protected by the First Amendment. [1] > Say unimaginably hateful shit, see…

i am really sad that hate speech is allowed in the US. i think it is shameful and dangerous. I have no comment on you telling that other guy to be very fucking careful

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by frankfrankfrank »

goatgate wrote: post #739
joshstrange wrote: post #641

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Agreed, the irony of /r/conservative complaining about censorship or their rights to free speech being restricted while making submitting posts and commenting "flaired users only" (AKA only the users who agree with us and think the same way) is completely lost on them...

I discovered this yesterday trying to respond to a post on r/conservative about the CCP enforcing ideological conformity. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

That strikes me as far more a function of being on reddit. There are no conservatives on reddit and from my own interactions with the people on r/conservative, I can assure you that they are not in fact what they say they are. You may as well go to Weibo looking to advocate against the repressive CCP regime, or you can try it a bit closer to home and advocate for free speech on reddit. Same outcome.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by neuronexmachina »

HaloZero wrote: post #766
chrisco255 wrote: post #744

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Have you ever been to /r/politics? It's a groupthink circle jerk. The difference, of course, is that /r/conservative is explicitly defined as a conservative community while /r/politics implies they are some sort of neutral community which they most certainly are not. At any rate, finding a diverse community of ideological people coming together to discuss politics with intellectual fervor is rather difficult these da…

/r/moderatepolitics is pretty reasonable though the idea of "moderate" is more about speech than views.

Yep, it's one of the best subreddits around, commenters just need to keep in mind their rules of civil discourse.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by rootusrootus »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #767
joshstrange wrote: post #641

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, the irony of /r/conservative complaining about censorship or their rights to free speech being restricted while making submitting posts and commenting "flaired users only" (AKA only the users who agree with us and think the same way) is completely lost on them...

I get that it is a kind of contradiction to claim being about free-speech, but to see their point, when free=speech and they as the primary advocates for free-speech are under clear and direct and persistent and unrelenting assault of their speech and thought, I can see how they would take on practical positions to protect their community from infiltrators and subversives as they are struggling to survive under relen…

> protect their community from infiltrators and subversives

They see anybody who doesn't toe the Trump line as a brigader from r/politics. Everything is a conspiracy. But there are a number of very moderate conservatives that (for whatever reason) continue to call r/conservative their home, and they respond positively when something sane gets posted. I've had a couple great conversations over there with those folks. I just avoid the endless meme threads and other trashy pointless tribal gunk.

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