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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by NicoJuicy »

riffnote wrote: post #623
systemvoltage wrote: post #481

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I am also worried. It feels like Big Tech flourished in last 4 years with advertisement revenue while staying hush about these issues, but all of a sudden they have an epiphany now. Big Tech leaders are selfish, cowards, clueless and just as vulnerable as the government leaders. They were interested in milking billions in Ads from these hate speech, particularly Twitter. If I were employees at these big companies, I…

Stripe profited by the sensationalism and hate Trump generated over the last four years and now, at the end of his presidency, they finally pull the plug? I see nothing laudable here.

Trump doesn't generate that much revenue for Stripe to really care that way.

I don't think anyone does.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by paxys »

infogulch wrote: post #683
wnevets wrote: post #552

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Lets be honest, republicans (including trump) fought hard to allow companies to do this and much worse. They just though only cake companies in the bible belt would do it to gay couples, not to republicans.

Its not very wise to construct a political weapon to use against your opponents without also considering how they could use it against you.

I imagine that was the thought running through the head of every Republican in the Capitol that day. Their own monster, which they had spent the last couple of decades nurturing, was out of control and in their house ready to devour them.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by oceanplexian »

nobody9999 wrote: post #583
johndevor wrote: post #316

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> Freedom of speech has nothing to do with newspapers or news, and never has done. If somebody speaks in the woods, and there's nobody there to hear it, do they make a sound? Yes, they technically have free speech, but in reality not really. The purpose of speech is that you might persuade somebody else. If there's nobody to talk to, you might as well not speak at all.

Facebook, Twitter, et al are not public squares. You can speak all you want in public spaces, on your own property (whether that be your home, your blog or your mastodon instance) mostly without limit. But Facebook, Twitter, Google, HN or any other private organization is under no obligation to host or amplify your speech. The government can't censor you and you may speak your mind in public spaces. You may also do s…

> Facebook, Twitter, et al are not public squares. You can speak all you want in public spaces, on your own property (whether that be your home, your blog or your mastodon instance) mostly without limit.

I can't find it at the moment but there was recently a court case where a judge ruled that the constitutional right to Assembly was not infringed by pandemic restrictions (It is illegal in several US jurisdictions to assemble with more than N people in a private space) because people could freely assemble on online platforms like Facebook and Twitter. If the digital public square does not allow for free assembly, and the government forbids you from assembling in a physical public space, then it seems plausible to me that we have constructively eliminated certain constitutional rights.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by lliamander »

bilbo0s wrote: post #779
lliamander wrote: post #770

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I don't know why you are talking to me as if I have any influence, but the contrast of your concern for the well-being of politicians with your apparent disregard for the well-being of innocent civilians is disquieting.

Again, I think you're still not hearing me. Politicians are, for the most part, liberals and conservatives. I don't give a mosquito's dick about any of them as people. As Constitutionally elected representatives of the people of the US, however, they mean everything. Especially while they are implementing the transfer of power mandated by the Constitutional order. If you have trouble understanding this distinction, t…

> As Constitutionally elected representatives of the people of the US, however, they mean everything.

Ah, I see what you are saying now.

I don't think I agree.

> Just stay away from them, and we shouldn't have any problems.

Again, why are you talking like I have anything to do with that?

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by slg »

roenxi wrote: post #759
slg wrote: post #754

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How many "lone wolves" do you see in this clip[1]? No one is saying that every member of that mob had intentions to kill. There is no doubt that some people in the mob did and they got shockingly close to having the opportunity to do it. [1] - https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1348334770103660553

0. That looks like a mob fighting police. If there were a few more yellow vests it could be France. A few more chants of "All cops are bad" and it could be footage from 2020. There are no pipe bombs. No guns. They do not deploy zip ties.

They are beating a police officer who is on the ground. Another officer was literally beaten to death. How many videos can you find of that happening during the BLM protests?

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by eecc »

ngcazz wrote: post #700
rayiner wrote: post #634

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> We need to deeply think about all this - allowing peaceful, objective, conservative opinions and policy (such as the Lincoln Project) while condemning hate speech, violence, white supremacy and other racist behavior. But that’s the problem. Nobody trusts people in Silicon Valley or New York City to decide what those things are. These are people who have internalized ideas like “you can’t be racist against white peo…

Black people getting lynched and yet the violent radical is Angela Davis. Right.

Well, two wrongs don’t make a right. :/

I’m an outsider, have no clue about the fine details, just watching the quarrel degenerate from across the Atlantic.

Usually this is when adults come in to break the fight, drag the screaming parties apart and ground all parties for a week...

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by yters »

nmfisher wrote: post #697
npunt wrote: post #607

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Serious question: Would those people have been at the Capitol without Trump's 'Stop the Steal' rhetoric?

Maybe, I don't know. There was a group of people arrested in Michigan (?) for the kidnapping of the Governor (?), so it's possible. But either way, I don't think it's relevant. If you want to boot someone off social media because they espouse a cause that others take too far, then there's a lot of BLM people who should receive the same fate. Anything else is rank hypocrisy. It's worth adding that I think Trump is a p…

BLM rhetoric has resulted in the assassination of numerous police officers, yet no one is deplatforming BLM.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by paxys »

rglover wrote: post #259

Maybe I'm being naive but it seems like a larger problem is being ignored here that I feel I should call attention to. This is going to piss people off and some of those people are going to be real, nothing-to-lose extremists. Actions like these though seemingly harmless in the short-term are going to radicalize the exact person/type of people that you do not want to radicalize. Because a lot of high-ranking SV folks…

Appeasement has never, ever worked throughout history.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by yters »

All I ask is consistency of deplatforming by big tech. If Trump gets deplatformed for inciting violence, then BLM should get deplatformed for all the cops assassinated by BLM activists.
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