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Re: M1 Macs: Truth and Truthiness

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Post by blunte »

heimatau wrote: post #759
blunte wrote: post #626

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Is Intel really so blind that they didn't see this coming or even have detailed inside info about it? I would wager that they knew, but execs chose to protect their personal short term interests overt those of the company and its long term shareholders. This is typical modern US publicly traded company behavior.

> I would wager that they knew Same. It's pretty clear that they knew and those that were blindsided, earned to get a pink slip.

But unfortunately that's not how publicly traded companies operate. The highest paid execs just hang around for a few years, and almost regardless of how the company performs, they exit with a nice package and move into another company with a similar or better agreement.

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Post by savoytruffle »

vr46 wrote: post #771
YesThatTom2 wrote: post #615

Patrick Moorhead is a stock analyst for the chip industry. In Wall Street terms, he is aligned with Intel others who are shaking in their boots right now. He's not going to say that the M1 is great until Intel/NVidia/etc. allow him to. These pundits know which side of his bread is buttered. He knows that his clients were caught off-guard by the M1 announcement. He needs to give his clients enough time to sell their I…

You know, I would have sworn that Dvorak used to write a Mac column for an American Macuser or Macworld when I was a student in the 1990s, waxing lyrical about the Mac.

He was sometimes in the back page of one of those (I think MacUser) but just as ultimately wrong about everything as ever — for example, online shopping.

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Post by the_af »

ogre_codes wrote: post #717
the_af wrote: post #698

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> Performant ARM CPUs designed for laptops? I expect you just gotta hope Windows on ARM takes off or start porting Linux to M1 Macs. What makes you think Windows won't take off on ARM? In any case, if it can be done -- i.e. if there aren't locked down specs -- you can bet Linux will be ported to M1 Macs.

> What makes you think Windows won't take off on ARM? I have no idea if it will or not. Microsoft's current strategy on ARM seems pretty unlikely to succeed though. > In any case, if it can be done -- i.e. if there aren't locked down specs -- you can bet Linux will be ported to M1 Macs. I'm confident (and hopeful) we will see an M series Linux port. How good it will be without support from Apple is questionable. The…

> Microsoft's current strategy on ARM seems pretty unlikely to succeed though

I'm not familiar with Microsoft's current ARM strategy, but they can always pivot of it turns out it's really the future. I must reluctantly admit Microsoft has been capable of some pretty surprising and welcome changes in its history.

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Post by Oreb »

internet2000 wrote: post #655
sokoloff wrote: post #644

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Was it really that shocking for Apple to announce they were shipping their own silicon? That stuck me as a pretty open (non-)secret and I’m not even in that industry. I doubt Intel was actually caught unaware.

It wasn't a surprise they were doing it. It absolute was a surprise for Intel that it ended up being this good.

But how can that be a surprise to anyone who has been following the development of the iPhone/iPad CPUs? The M1 is exactly what you would expect it to be by extrapolating from the performance of recent iOS chips.

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Post by wpietri »

x0x0 wrote: post #675
wpietri wrote: post #531

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I would like the people downvoting you to explain why they think it's truly revolutionary. I just went back to reread the Tom's Hardware article on the chip, thinking I must have missed something, and I'm not seeing it. Full credit to Apple for incrementally improving their A-series processors over the last decade until they're good enough for laptops. But I'm not seeing that this makes anything fundamentally differe…

all day on-battery real-world heavy usage without significant compromises. In fact, not just without significant compromises, but about as fast as a laptop can go.

That's a nice feature, sure. But I don't see it as revolutionary. Are there a lot of people suddenly able to live or work differently because of this?

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Post by cestith »

ogre_codes wrote: post #317
cestith wrote: post #302

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Work has already begun to port Linux to M1 Macs. Linux for ARM and Windows for ARM are already running as PoC on the M1 Macs with QEMU (running ARM-on-ARM). https://www.techradar.com/news/you-can-now-run-linux-and-win...

I suspect people interested in "superfast, supercool ARM-based Linux laptops" are looking more for running on bare metal, not in a VM.

Please read the first sentence again. Porting is underway. It's already running under ARM to ARM emulation, but porting is underway.

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Post by wpietri »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #683
wpietri wrote: post #643

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These all strike me as evolutionary changes. People will be doing about the same things as before. They will do them a bit faster, and not have to plug in as often. I expect revolutionary changes to overturn an existing order. E.g., the Mac was revolutionary. Smartphones were revolutionary. This is a solid and impressive evolutionary change. Kudos to them, of course. But when actual revolutions happen, I would like t…

It's not necessarily revolutionary, but it's not just a small evolutionary step. But either way it's just pedantic.

I'm glad we both agree that revolution is not the right word. I think precision in language is something that is generally valued at HN, especially when the lack of precision is marketing hype.

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Post by wpietri »

Apocryphon wrote: post #654
wpietri wrote: post #646

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I disagree. The iPhone was revolutionary in that it made smartphones and phone apps accessible to the mass market, unleashing a wave of change in how people live, work, and play. M1 Macs will be used basically like the previous Macs, but somewhat faster and somewhat longer without plugging in. So I don't think this qualifies as a revolutionary change.

I think the M1 Macs are a precursor for a truly revolutionary (for consumers) Apple ARM computer. Whether that will be realized with the M1X/M2 next year or further on, it remains to be seen.

Ok. I'm glad we now agree that this is not revolutionary.

What's the revolution you are hoping for with future generations of the processor?

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Post by koffiezet »

ogre_codes wrote: post #246
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #203

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> I think it's a bit unfair to lump Linux in there since it's been running on ARM and other embedded, low-power devices basically forever, but it is true that few of us run our Linux desktop on an ARM board. We aren't running ARM on our desktops because there aren't ARM desktops for us to use. The market jumps from low-end boards like the Pi and Pine's lineups - which are excellent for what they are, but suffer from…

> We aren't running ARM on our desktops because there aren't ARM desktops for us to use. Indeed, while ARM based Linux desktops hit the price and energy efficiency on the nose, they aren't going to wow anyone with performance.

The thing is not just "ARM", it's Apple's implementation. Their A* mobile cpu lineup destroys any competing mobile ARM CPU, and the M1 evolved from that. So just running ARM isn't going to save anyone.
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